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Plane

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Mark Tveskov
« on: December 14, 2008, 04:47:57 PM »
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This was the first tangible presence of the federal government or any civil authority in the Rogue Valley. Unlike, say, the stereotypical Western vision of Fort Apache, the primary mission of this fort was to protect the Indians from the whites in that period of time.”
 Mark Tveskov


Hmmmm...

That is how it was in Georgia too.

The Trail of Tears was what we today would call "ethnic cleansing" but the tipical Georgia settler at the time was mercyless.
 

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Re: Mark Tveskov
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 04:54:12 PM »
Ethnic cleansing tends to be merciless.

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Re: Mark Tveskov
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 07:48:19 PM »
http://www.sou.edu/Sociol/tveskovm.html

http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2003/07/29/news/news01a.txt

http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20050716/NEWS/50716005&SearchID=7321976890894

 
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More than 150 years after the Rogue Indian Wars, Fort Lane has melted into a field covered with star thistle, with little but foundation stones, clay pipes and brass buttons to show for the federal government’s efforts to protect local Indians from gold miners and pioneers intent on extermination.


The Indian wars were contreversial while they were going on , lots of common people kept the pressure on the government to facilitate westward expantion , and mostly the government went along with it .

But if more Indians had been literate , we might have record of twice as many massicres as we do know of.

I have been reading in recent years about the pre-Colombian status of the American population. Arciologists are constantly discovering large settlements , before contact with Europe there were a lot more people here than we realise.

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Re: Mark Tveskov
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 05:20:48 PM »
I have been reading in recent years about the pre-Colombian status of the American population. Arciologists are constantly discovering large settlements , before contact with Europe there were a lot more people here than we realise.


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Over half the population of Tenotichtlan, as Mexico City was called in its Aztec days, died from various diseases, such as smallpox, cholera and European childhood diseases like measles and whooping cough within a year of the arrival of the Spanish. Indians had no immunity to these diseases.

Plymouth Colony was built on the remains of an older Indian village. The area had been previously visited by English, and an Indian named Squanto who had sailed away with them and then sailed back and spoke some English, told them that this village had mostly all died from disease.

Before the settlers and the pioneers came the trappers and explorers, and with them came diseases. It is safe to assume that half the native population or more had died of European and African diseases before the settlers arrived.

With the Europeans came horses, and with horses, the Indians became more nomadic, most tribes moving westward, away from diseases and settlers.

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Re: Mark Tveskov
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 05:53:48 PM »
Last I heard, it was estimated that roughly 90% of the aboriginal Americans died from diseases, many of them before they had even met Europeans (the diseases spread in front of the wave of explorers).
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Re: Mark Tveskov
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 05:59:53 PM »
Last I heard, it was estimated that roughly 90% of the aboriginal Americans died from diseases, many of them before they had even met Europeans (the diseases spread in front of the wave of explorers).


This is probably closer to the actual number, but everyone agrees that it was over half.
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