Bush Ducks

[Plane]

Compare the number of casualties in Serbia to those in Iraq.

No real comparison.

I don't think there were ANY American casualties in Serbia.

What , only Americans count?

In Serbia we have no way to suppose that miscreants caught most of the bombs , it isn't knowable really , but it is very likely that innocent bystanders were killed and maimed quite a lot.

If more people died in Iraq , also a greater purportion of the dead were the ones we ment to kill and needed to kill, ground forces are the most selective force we have got , people in crossfire are in mortal peril , but certainoy not less than people in the neighborhood of a massive bombing campaign.

The killing of the fighting force of Saddam Hussein , of the Al Quieda in Iraq and the Muqtader del Sader ran up the totals , but all of those were good news , to kill the same number of fighters in the style of Clinton would require razing citys as we did to Dresden or Toykio in WWII. The number of collateral kills would then be staggering.

I think that will indeed be the style of our next war , a Clinton will be secretary of State , Obama will have someone who remembers how well it can work to bomb heavyly and never bother to take territory. But the downside is the heavyer collateral damage in purportion to the desired target killing.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am pretty sure that Iraq was far more damaged than Serbia than Iraq as well.

Observe that Serbia is now a democratic functioning state, and Iraq is not.

Clinton 1
Juniorbush 0

[Amianthus]

Observe that Serbia is now a democratic functioning state, and Iraq is not.

Observe that Serbia's government has been in place years longer than Iraq's.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Serbia did not need to replace its police, its army, it's entire political structure, as the bombing did not destroy any of these as happened in Iraq.

[Amianthus]

Serbia did not need to replace its police, its army, it's entire political structure, as the bombing did not destroy any of these as happened in Iraq.

Regardless, Serbia was bombed in 1997, and didn't have a real government in place until 2006. That's 9 years. Iraq is doing well after only 5 years. I think they'll at least match the 9 year span if not beat it - that would put in at around the year 2012, just in time for Obama to use it as an issue in his re-election campaign.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Regardless, Serbia was bombed in 1997, and didn't have a real government in place until 2006.

Serbia had police protection and elections long before 2006.

And the Serbia  operation was far, far cheaper in every way from the mess Juniorbush started in Iraq. To compare the two is like comparing a Chevelle and a Range Rover, or a vole and a Brontosaurus, take your pick.

Juniorbush screwed up so bad that it SHOULD take a couple of terms to clean up the mess. Maybe more.

It is highly amusing to imagine the GOP bigwigs begging Bobby Jindal reconsider his refusal to run on their ticket for president and save them from Palin.

[Amianthus]

Serbia had police protection and elections long before 2006.

Serbia's current constitution was approved in 2006. The previous government was mired in scandal, which was why they discarded it and started over.

[Plane]

Regardless, Serbia was bombed in 1997, and didn't have a real government in place until 2006.

Serbia had police protection and elections long before 2006.

And the Serbia  operation was far, far cheaper in every way from the mess Juniorbush started in Iraq. To compare the two is like comparing a Chevelle and a Range Rover, or a vole and a Brontosaurus, take your pick.

Juniorbush screwed up so bad that it SHOULD take a couple of terms to clean up the mess. Maybe more.

It is highly amusing to imagine the GOP bigwigs begging Bobby Jindal reconsider his refusal to run on their ticket for president and save them from Palin.

Cheaper?

Our actions against despots or in favor of democracys need to be small and cheap?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is better that they are small and cheap than huge and expensive.

[Plane]

It is better that they are small and cheap than huge and expensive.

I suppose so , but that can't be an indicator of how just the cause is , perhaps we should not bite off more than we can manage , but Iraq has really been small scale in comparison to several wars we have had before.

[Xavier_Onassis]

but Iraq has really been small scale in comparison to several wars we have had before.

In WWI and WWII, there was a draft. The entire nation was mobilized to produce weapons. Taxes were raised.
There were no mercenary outfits like Blackwater, paid huge amounts to do things like feed the troops.

Iraq has been very expensive and it has done a lot of damage here in the US, as well as in Iraq.

There was no reason for invading Iraq, which posed no threat to any American in the USA.

[sirs]

There was no reason for invading Iraq, which posed no threat to any American in the USA.

And the implied lie continues to get perpetuated