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Michael Tee

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Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« on: March 30, 2010, 11:55:00 PM »
. . .  that "Chechen terrorists"  "happen" to blow up the Moscow subway just when the U.S. is desperately seeking Russian support for a greatly enhanced embargo of Iran which up to now the Russians have failed to see the need for?

Just askin.

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 12:20:12 AM »
Michael...The Russians have very recently killed some key Islamist ...
In fact just five days ago the Russians killed Anzor Astemirov,
an ally of Chechen rebel leader Doku Umarov who is the main
suspect behind the Moscow subway bombing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iA4v9X9IpQYeMtx2pSc31jdWRFWA

About ten days ago the Russians killed another Islamic Warlord in Chechnya.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/03/18/Al-Qaida-leader-killed-in-Chechnya/UPI-92591268920425/

Rather than trying to wildly connect the US to every possible evil....will you at least try and consider the facts on the ground?
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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 12:22:59 AM »
. . .  that "Chechen terrorists"  "happen" to blow up the Moscow subway just when the U.S. is desperately seeking Russian support for a greatly enhanced embargo of Iran which up to now the Russians have failed to see the need for?

Just askin.

of course, the US had to have done it. Yup that makes the most sense.

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 12:26:35 AM »
Please,

Putin, being the ex KGB guy he is, would have no problem orchestrating an event like that to tighten his grip on the government.


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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 12:56:59 AM »
Reluctantly, I am going to have to go along with CU4's explanation as the most likely.  The Chechen separatists would be likely to react as they did.  BT's explanation I reject because Putin doesn't need the excuse at this point, his main opposition now seems to be centred on economic and decentralization issues, not on security.  If anything, the subway bombings would increase his perceived failures by expanding them to a new field of alleged failure, security.

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 01:02:00 AM »
MOSCOW ? The old Vladimir Putin  is back, confronting a terrorist attack in Moscow by using the same kind of coarse and colorful language that helped him win the presidency a decade ago.

A day after twin suicide bombings in the subway that killed 39 people, the powerful prime minister told Russians that he is certain the masterminds of the attacks would be found. The security services have blamed extremists from the North Caucasus, a predominantly Muslim region in southern Russia that includes Chechnya.

"We know they are lying low, but it is already a matter of pride for the law enforcement agencies to drag them out of the sewer and into broad daylight," Putin said, directing a transportation security meeting that was shown on Russian television Tuesday.

The choice of the gutter language recalled Putin's famous threat to "wipe out the Chechen rebels in the outhouse" after they were blamed for a series of apartment building bombings that terrorized Moscow in 1999.

Putin, as prime minister at the time, sent in overwhelming military force to pound the region into submission and was elected president the following year.

Now in his second stint as prime minister after serving two full terms as president, Putin has an excuse to revert to the tough line that shored up his authority following past terrorist attacks. While welcomed by many Russians, it also is raising fears that civil liberties may be further sacrificed under the pretext of fighting terrorism.

Capitalizing on the outrage, members of the Kremlin-loyal parliament proposed bringing back the death penalty for terrorism. Russia has imposed a moratorium on capital punishment, but has been reluctant to outlaw it due to broad public support for the death penalty.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100330/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_subway_blast

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 12:11:21 PM »
It probably will be helpful to the US in its attempt to get sanctions, but I think that events in Chechnya are more responsible for suicidal Chechens. I doubt the US could manipulate the Chechens, anyway. Do you think we have any US agents who even speak Chechen? I would be surprised if there were any.
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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 12:25:00 PM »
<<I doubt the US could manipulate the Chechens, anyway.>>

I wasn't thinking in terms of manipulating the Chechens, I was thinking more in terms of U.S. or Israeli agents infiltrating the country and blowing up the subway themselves.  However, on the whole, I tend to agree with you and CU4 that it was more likely the Chechens did it themselves.  God knows the Russians have given them enough reasons.

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 05:56:19 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/

A Chechen militant claimed responsibility for the deadly attacks on the Moscow subway in an Internet message posted Wednesday, hours after two more suicide bombers struck southern Russia in brazen defiance of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 06:17:51 PM »
I think Tee was HOPING the U.S. had a hand in it, thus putting the U.S. & Russia on a potential military collision course

Anything that can kill more Americans, especially their military
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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 06:29:03 PM »
They had another today in Russia that killed 12 more people.

I predict we'll see it here within 5 years.

It's just too easy to do....

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Re: Anyone else thinking that it's highly suspicious . . .
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 07:04:12 PM »
Michael Tee....just curious....do you view the attacks on the
Russian Subway Monday and today as legit in the same way you view
Palestinian Hamas/Fatah attacks on the Israeli citizens as legit?


Dokka Abu Usman:
Moscow metro attack is a retribution for Russian crimes in the Caucasus
Publication time: 31 March 2010, 18:42

The Kavkaz Center editorial staff has received a video statement made by the
Caucasus Emirate's Emir Dokka Abu Usman, who stressed that the attack in
the Moscow subway on March 29, 2010 had been organized under his personal order.
  
Заявление Амира Имарата Кавказ Докку Абу Усмана. 29.03.2010
(click this link to watch the video)

In his video statement, reordered on March 29, 2010, Dokka Abu
Usman said that the attack had been a retaliation
and a retribution for the massacre by Russian invaders

of the poorest residents of Chechnya and Ingushetia, who were picking
wild garlic in the Arshty village on February 11, 2010, to feed their families.  

He stressed that the killing of the most poor part of local residents had been deliberate,
because the criminal FSB special forces finished off innocent civilians with knives, and
then mocked on their corpses.

Dokka Abu Usman indicated to all his accusers that the Moscow attack was a legitimate
act of retaliation for continued killings of civilians
in the Caucasus.  

The head of the Caucasus Emirate said "he treats with a grin" all those accusations
of terrorism, including those made by politicians and journalists, because none of them
accused Putin of the massacre of civilians in Arshty, which was carried out under
Putin's orders.  

Dokka Abu Usman also said that attacks on Russian territory would continue.
He promised new retaliations to the Russians, "who send their gangs to the
Caucasus and support their security services, who carry out massacres".  

In conclusion, Dokka Abu Usman reminded that he had earlier promised to the people
of Russia that they would no more "idly watch the war in the Caucasus on their TV sets,
watch it quietly, with no reaction to excesses and crimes committed by their gangs,
which are being sent to the Caucasus under the leadership of Putin".  

"Therefore the war will come to your streets, and you will feel it with your own
lives and skins", the Caucasus Emirate's Emir Dokka Abu Usman warned.  

Department of Current News

Kavkaz Center

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/03/31/11760.shtml
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