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Iran Fears Attack from Four Directions
« on: July 01, 2010, 08:02:48 PM »
US, Russia Cooperate on Bases in Iran's Back Yard

Iran Fears Attack from Four Directions, including Caucasus and Central Asia


USS Nassau

For Tehran, the Russian vote with the US and China at the UN Security Council on June 9 in support of a new round of sanctions was a most painful and surprising diplomatic affront. Up until the last moment, Iran's leaders did not believe Moscow would line up against them on its nuclear program.

Deepening US-Russian strategic cooperation in the aftermath of the vote has the Islamic Republic even more worried. Its rulers have woken up to find they could face a foreign attack on their nuclear installations from four possible directions.

In the south, America continues to pile up air, naval and marine forces off the southern Iranian coast. This week the USS Nassau and two escort ships, the USS Mesa Verde and USS Ashland moved in with 4,000 Marines, including special commando units trained to operate behind enemy lines. They joined two more carriers, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Strike Group and the USS Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group, with another approximately 6,000 Marines on board.

Since June 20, Iran has been massing military units in West Azerbaijan, braced in the expectation of a possible American or Israeli offensive from the Caspian Sea area from the north and northwest, particularly from Azerbaijan and Georgia.
 
Fear that Israel could drop bombs from outside Iranian air space

Neither is Tehran ruling out a US or Israel strike from the Arabian Sea, where the Eisenhower and Truman are deployed; from the Gulf of Aden, where the Nassau has taken up position; or from Azerbaijan, where, according to the Revolutionary Guards regional commander Brig.-Gen. Mehdi Moini: "The (Iranian) mobilization is due to the presence of American and Israeli forces on (our) western border."
Finally, Iranian war planners acknowledge a possible Israeli air strike with missiles launched from great distances - by submarine, warplanes or even from outside Iranian air space.

Iran fears Washington-Moscow collaboration on sanctions is the outer manifestation of a broader deal brewing up behind its back for cooperating in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Tehran suspects Moscow has agreed to look the other way in the event of a US-Israel attack on its nuclear facilities.

Three more incidents have pushed the Islamic rulers' alarm buttons:

1. Sunday, June 27, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said a CIA report that Iran had enough low-enriched uranium to build two atom bombs was "worrying." He was speaking in Toronto at the end of the G20 summit in response to CIA Director Leon Panetta comment to ABC television that Iran probably has enough low-enriched uranium for two nuclear weapons.

Tehran is fully aware that Moscow likes the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran as little as Washington does.
 
Too many of Iran's foes are "in sync"

Two days later, on Tuesday, June 29, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, after visiting Israeli president Shimon Peres in Jerusalem, confirmed Panetta's assessment adding that Iran has 2,000 kilograms of low-enriched uranium in stock, enough for two bombs. But he voiced the hope that Iran would agree to stop enriching uranium.

He heard the same intelligence assessment from Peres, together with the remark that not only the Israelis, but the Russians too face sleepless nights.

2. The mere fact of the Russian foreign visitor's visit to Israel made Tehran uneasy - especially when he arrived just 24 hours after Adm. Mike Mullen, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, held an impromptu session in Tel Aviv with the IDF high command after talking to defense minister Ehud Barak.
With no real explanation offered for his unscheduled visit, Mullen rounded it off by saying: "I try to see threats and challenges from the Israeli perspective."

Another 24 hours went by and America's top soldier had more words of discomfort for Tehran:
Addressing the Aspen Security Forum, he said it would be "incredibly dangerous" for Iran to achieve nuclear weapons, and that there's "no reason to trust" Iran.

Asked if he thought Israel would give the United States time to see whether tougher sanctions or talks would produce more cooperation from Iran, he would only say he believed the US and Israel were "in sync" with their current policies.

This was taken to mean that further negotiations with Tehran are pointless because Iran is on a fixed course toward a nuclear weapon. Mullen's stress on the military cooperation between the US and Israel is what has Iran's rulers worried most of all.

Obama-Medvedev amity makes Tehran acutely uncomfortable

3.Iranian sources say that this US-Israeli military partnership, which could menace Iran from the south and west, is perceived by Iranian rulers as complementing the deepening US-Russian diplomatic and military cooperation to the north, i.e. from Azerbaijan and Georgia and farther afield, from Kyrgyzstan and Armenia.

In the past two weeks, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has led urgent high-level consultations about the troubling possibility that the US and Russian presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev were putting together a joint strategy for combating terrorism in Central Asia and the Caucasus. With the chances of the US-led NATO force winning the Afghanistan and defeating the Taliban almost down to nil, they believe the two presidents resolved to get down to addressing the likely Islamist spillover into the lands abutting Afghanistan and Pakistan.

As we closed this issue, the Russian defense industry spokesman Vyacheslav Dzirkaln said Thursday that Moscow was willing to provide heavy-lift Mi-26T Halo transport helicopters to assist the NATO-led military fighting Taliban in Afghanistan, thereby strengthening Iranian suspicions of developing military cooperation between Moscow and Washington.

Iran's rulers are ever conscious of their country's history of suppression at the hands of world powers in the 1940s and 1950s. It is high in their strategic thinking, alongside their radical Shiite Islamic goals and the revolutionary tenets laid down by Islamic Republic's founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Surprisingly for many Americans, Iran's incumbent rulers see similarities between Obama's Russian policies today and Franklin Delano Roosevelt's approach to Soviet Russia in the 1940s. In his belief the antagonism between the two superpowers derived from misunderstanding and the dominance of stereotypes, FDR set out to fix the problem by offering the hand of friendship to the nascent Communist state - in the same way, so the Iranians believe, as Obama is offering Medvedev that same hand.

In the absence of solid intelligence data, Iranian leaders find confirmation for this thesis in two indicators:
 
In quid pro quo, a big US air facility in Fizuli,
a second Russian base in Kyrgyzstan


First, Neither Washington nor Moscow has intervened in the turbulence sweeping Kyrgyzstan - even after at least 3,000 deaths. Tehran believes they have secretly agreed to keep their hands off the conflict in this strategically placed land and let a bunch of fractious politicians battle each other in the October general election.

Iran is not alone in assuming that that Washington is deliberately turning a blind eye to Russia's plans to build a second military base in Kyrgyzstan - either in Osh or Jalalabad - even though it would expand Russian influence in Central Asia and bolster its standing vis-?-vis both the United States and China.

Second, In an apparent quid pro quo, Moscow has not stood in the way of an Obama administration plan to establish a big new air base at Fizuli in southwestern Azerbaijan, one of the seven Armenian-controlled enclaves around the breakaway Republic of Nagorno Karabakh. Fizuli is separated from Iranian Azerbaijan by the river Araz.

Up until now, Moscow vehemently objected to a US military presence in any part of Armenia or Armenian-controlled territory, regarding them as historically within Russia's political, military and intelligence orbit. Now, according to military sources, the planned Russian and US bases in these highly sensitive and unstable regions are shaping up on the ground - across from Iran's northern borders.

American Engineering and Air Force units have arrived in Fizuli and begun preparing the ground for the first take-off and landing runways of the new base, while Russian construction crews are preparing to go to work in Kyrgyzstan.

An air base in Fizuli will not only plant a US military foothold in Armenia, but also restore US military credibility in Georgia north of Armenia after the setbacks of the August 2008 war, in which the Russians crushed the Georgian Army and used their victory to expand their military and naval strength through the Caucasian and Black Sea regions.
 
Medvedev and Clinton split up fence-mending tasks

Seen from Tehran, an American air base at Fizuli adds a valuable link to its military and intelligence encirclement of the Islamic Republic from the direction of the Black Sea. Whereas before, the threat of US air strikes was limited to American aircraft carriers afloat in the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf, from now on, this peril has been extended to US bases in the Caucasian and Central Asia.

Tehran sees a further dip in its fortunes in Moscow's perceived shift away from its strenuous objections to US military action against its nuclear sites. Iran thinks Russia is now willing to accept the Obama administration's resort to a military solution of the nuclear dispute - albeit on the quiet.

This conviction was strengthened by a comment this week by Gen. Nikolai Makarov, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. He said that the intelligence in his possession indicated the mounting imminence of a US strike against Iran. In his view, this would be suicidal for America, because US armed forces are not capable of waging three wars simultaneously in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran.

The Russian general did not speculate about the timeline of such a strike, but Tehran views US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's whirlwind trips to Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, starting July 1, as fitting into Washington's overall Iran's strategy.

Part of that strategy too, for Iran, is the concerted US-Russian effort to bring to an end the 22-year-long war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh.
That war is intermittently ongoing, with Fizuli stuck in the line of fire. Monday and Tuesday this week, June 28-29, saw the eruption of heavy shooting in some of the local villages as the Armenians and Azerbaijanis maneuvered to improve their positions ahead of the US-Russian conciliation bid.
On June 17, Medvedev collared the Armenian and Azerbaijan presidents at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum for a discussion on how to resolve the Karabakh conflict.

Hillary Clinton, for her part, is trying to get to grips with issues left over from the Russian-Georgian 2008 conflict and present in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute during her five days of talks in the capitals of Poland, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia.

US-Saudi Arabia at Odds on Iran Tactics

King Abdullah Demands Direct US Action to Halt Iran's Nuclearization - or Else?

Barack Obama and King AbdullahUS President Barack Obama's talks with Saudi King Abdullah at the White House on Tuesday, June 29, were more like a verbal wrestling match - especially on Iran and Riyadh's own nuclear armament plans, sources report from Washington.

On Iran, President Obama tried to extract a Saudi royal pledge not to permit Israeli Air Force planes to cross its air space or build provisional refueling and ammo supply bases in the Saudi desert. These facilities would enable Israeli warplanes to bomb Iranian nuclear installations - not just once, but repeatedly after refueling and collecting fresh ordinance at the facilities set up in Saudi Arabia.
Such facilities would cut the 1,000-mile flight from Israel to Iran by more than half to just 400 miles.
The US president also asked the monarch to call off the coordination sessions taking place on the projected operation against Iran between high-ranking Saudi and Israeli military and intelligence officers. He said he had been troubled by the recent Times of London report of a Saudi exercise to test the compatibility of its aerial warning and defense systems with the electronics of Israeli fighter-bombers. Obama complained that Saudi and Israeli networks had been interconnected without prior notification to Washington which learned it had taken place well after the fact.

Instead of answering directly, King Abdullah tried a diversionary tactic, according to Washington and Persian Gulf sources. He explained that Prince Moqrin Bin Abdulaziz, director of Saudi General Intelligence, was in charge of the interchanges with Israel and, had he known the subject would come up, he would have brought the prince along with him to the White House meeting.

The King gives the President the runaround
 
This answer went down badly. The last time Obama met Moqrin, at the April 13 nuclear security summit in Washington, the prince ducked questions on Saudi-Israeli military and intelligence collaboration versus Iran by referring the president to the king, whose policies he merely carried out.

In other words, the US president was treated to his second Saudi runaround.

This time, he was determined to get some answers. But when he pressed the point, the king switched tactics and angrily asked the president in return what direct measures Washington was pursuing to halt Iran's drive for nuclear arms. Diplomacy and sanctions were utterly useless, he asserted.

When Obama tried to impress the Saudi monarch with the next round of sanctions in the pipeline, King Abdullah shot back with a catalogue of Iranian ruses for bypassing those penalties.

Thursday, July 1, just two days after Abdullah departed Washington, the Wall Street Journal ran a story entitled "Iran Arms Syria with Radar-System that Could Help Tehran Dodge Israeli Strike."

The report was a signal to inform Riyadh that there was no point in counting on Israel to pull its Iranian nuclear chestnuts out of the fire because its air force no longer owned the advantage of surprise. Both the Saudis and Israelis had no choice but to depend on US radar and interception systems for any strike against Iran and would therefore do well to abandon their bilateral project.

All in all, American and Saudi officials summed up the Obama-Abdullah encounter as marking a widening if not unbridgeable gap on the Iranian issue.

Saudis own plans to acquire nuclear arms:

The atmosphere was even less amicable when Obama turned to his royal guest and challenged him to clarify a Saudi official's comments to Reuters on June 17 that Riyadh was not only planning to build nuclear power plants but also to install its own uranium enrichment facilities. He wanted to know how the Saudis could criticize Tehran for enriching uranium while preparing to do so itself and, in so doing, sabotaging the American drive for an international front to halt Iran's enrichment activities.

Washington sources report that every US intelligence effort to obtain a clear picture of the scope of the Saudi nuclear program and its actual uranium enrichment capabilities has failed. For lack of information, the Americans fear the Saudis have progressed a lot further than they are willing to admit.

Obama got no change out of Abdullah on this question. The king offered the standard replies heard from most Middle East leaders these days, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Syrian President Bashar Assad, that all their nuclear fuel programs are peaceful.

This too went down badly with the US president, who went on to question the king about Saudi-Pakistani nuclear ties - again to no avail.

Behind his question was the discovery by US intelligence that the nuclear racketeer Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, father of the Pakistani nuclear bomb, had visited Saudi Arabia at least 50 times in the past three years.

Washington has asked Riyadh to explain these visits as well as the business ties A.Q Khan maintains with the Jeddah-based Islamic Development Bank notwithstanding repeated US requests to sever them.

At the end of the Obama-Abdullah conversation, it was obvious that Saudi nuclear policy, which the king manages personally, clashes with the US President's nonproliferation efforts on the Arabian Peninsula and the Middle East and is irreconcilable with his avowed ambition to rid the world of nuclear arms.

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Re: Iran Fears Attack from Four Directions
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 08:23:41 PM »
am i out of line in saying"the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

could be a miscalculation of how iran views the world.

isn`t isreal in the same boat?

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 09:12:42 PM »
We hear a lot of talk about how Bankrupt Nation and its sidekick, The Tail That Wags the Dog are going to fuck up Iran, how they're more capable than ever of fucking up Iran, how all these other countries are also eager to fuck up Iran and so on ad nauseam.  The only thing we don't hear is how Bankrupt Nation and its little sidekick, The Tail That Wags the Dog are actually fucking up Iran.

The sanctions that Russia and China joined in on are pathetically weak and will do just about nothing to slow down the Iranians.  They are weak because the Russians and Chinese wouldn't go along with anything stronger.  Less diplomatically, they're a joke.  Personally, I think that the little sidekick Tail That Wags the Dog will find out it's a lot easier to murder unarmed aid workers on the high seas than it is to take on the Islamic Republic in a shooting war.  Bankrupt Nation will find out that if the cost of its rape of Iraq is $3 trillion and counting, that the cost of trying to do the same to Iran, a country at least three times the size of Iraq, will be infinitely more expensive. 

The idea that Russia, supposedly "terrified" of an Iran that doesn't even have nuclear weapons, would somehow favour the whole country being overrun by the Americans who could then build real nuclear weapons bases all over it, is hilarious.  That they will facilitate Georgia in helping to plant U.S. bases in Iran and grab its oil reserves because of Hillary Clinton's persuasive wiles is ludicrous.

Actually, I find myself hoping against hope that the U.S. will in fact attack Iran.  A country staggering on the brink of the financial abyss because of one ill-advised war after another, now about to attack the biggest one of its victims to date, while it's still embroiled in its previous two conflicts.  There was a time when I would have said, No, they wouldn't be that stupid.  But to tell you the truth, at this point, I don't think anything is too stupid for the War Party and/or the Zio-Nazis to consider.  Oh well, live by the sword, die by the sword.  I hope that in some way both of them will come to realize through painful experience the truth of that axiom.  It can't come a minute too soon.


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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 10:15:27 PM »
Actually, I find myself hoping against hope that the U.S. will in fact attack Iran.  
I hope you are right Michael Tee!



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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2010, 08:46:38 AM »
 You guys are invincible on paper.  It's no contest - - your graphic artists can beat their graphic artists.

If the Iranian technology has developed to the level of the Inclined Plane, I think they can beat this thing.  With any luck at all, the "radar-evading B2 bomber" also might find out that it's not so "radar-evading" as its crews were told it was.  Gee, that'd be sad.

The real warriors are the accountants.  Has anyone ever told the moron leaders of Bankrupt Nation what its Massive Penetrator will cost them, including deployment and dealing with the backlash of 73 million pissed-off Iranians?  Is this gonna be the same "cake-walk" as the still-unfinished $3 trillion Iraq war (original estimate:  $50 billion) or will it be even cheaper?  Seems to me like the only Massive Penetration we're gonna see is up the dumb-as-shit ass of the American taxpayer, but that's already an old story.  I'm sure that Tail That Wags the Dog is very, very grateful to American taxpayer.  They'll be your "ally" forever.  They love you.  And THAT'S what makes it all worthwhile.

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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2010, 12:41:18 PM »
Actually, Iran has been suffering from economic problems for quite some time. The have oil, but they also have 77 million people and a lot of inflation. I suppose some of this is due to the various sanctions, but it seems that more of it is due to the incompetence of the mullahs who really run Iran.

I don't think that the B-2 will be dropping any bombs on Iran because (a) the US will not do this, and (2) Israel has no B-2.

I foresee a time in which the destruction of just ONE superexpensive aircraft could bankrupt a nation. They shoot down the one plane and up goes the white flag.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2010, 02:35:44 PM »
<<I foresee a time in which the destruction of just ONE superexpensive aircraft could bankrupt a nation. They shoot down the one plane and up goes the white flag.>>

Can't come a minute too soon, IMHO.  If anyone ever adds up the cost of all of the U.S.A.'s pointless wars of choice, adds in the R&D of stealth bombers, Massive Penetrators, Death Star satellites and other PR masterpieces of the military-industrial complex and then figures out what could have been done with the money (other than keeping the U.S. safe from the Viet Cong, of course) then Bankrupt Nation would become overnight Bankrupt Weeping Nation

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2010, 07:25:57 PM »
You guys are invincible on paper.  It's no contest - - your graphic artists can beat their graphic artists.

If the Iranian technology has developed to the level of the Inclined Plane, I think they can beat this thing.  With any luck at all, the "radar-evading B2 bomber" also might find out that it's not so "radar-evading" as its crews were told it was.  Gee, that'd be sad.

The real warriors are the accountants.  Has anyone ever told the moron leaders of Bankrupt Nation what its Massive Penetrator will cost them, including deployment and dealing with the backlash of 73 million pissed-off Iranians?  Is this gonna be the same "cake-walk" as the still-unfinished $3 trillion Iraq war (original estimate:  $50 billion) or will it be even cheaper?  Seems to me like the only Massive Penetration we're gonna see is up the dumb-as-shit ass of the American taxpayer, but that's already an old story.  I'm sure that Tail That Wags the Dog is very, very grateful to American taxpayer.  They'll be your "ally" forever.  They love you.  And THAT'S what makes it all worthwhile.

Who told you theree would be a cake walk?

Who told you that the cost was three trillion?

This looks like an under and an over estimation of simular magnitude.

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2010, 10:51:59 PM »
<<Who told you theree would be a cake walk?>>

How soon we forget, eh?  The guy who said it would be a "cakewalk" was Kenneth Adelman, a neocon associate of Richard Perle.  http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/04/14/030414ta_talk_hertzberg

Rumsfeld estimated the war would cost "only" $50 billion.  Some other lying cocksucker in the same Satanic administration promised the American people that their forces would be "greeted as liberators" and "showered with rose petals."

But I know - - that was then, and this is now.  Now it's, "Who said it would be a cake-walk?  Did I tell you it would be a cake-walk?  Did anybody?  What's a cake-walk anyway?  I never even heard of such a thing.  Cakes don't walk, how can they?"

It's hilarious.

<<Who told you that the cost was three trillion?>>

John Stiglitz, a Nobel-Prize-winning economist, and Linda Bilmes.  They did the definitive study of the costs of the Iraq war.  It's $3 trill and counting, not "$3 trillion."

<<This looks like an under and an over estimation of simular magnitude.>>

Well, that's not how it looks to me.

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2010, 11:35:24 PM »
It's $3 trill and counting, not "$3 trillion."

The $3T is not for another 20 or so years.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2010, 11:57:42 PM »
<<Who told you theree would be a cake walk?>>

How soon we forget, eh?  The guy who said it would be a "cakewalk" was Kenneth Adelman, a neocon associate of Richard Perle.  http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/04/14/030414ta_talk_hertzberg


It was  George Bush that said it would be long and difficult.

What was Kenneth's pay rate at the time?

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2010, 02:30:33 AM »
<<It was  George Bush that said it would be long and difficult.>>

Really?  And when did he say that?  Before the invasion or afterwards?

<<What was Kenneth's pay rate at the time?>>

Probably a lot less than Rumsfeld's, who told the country the war would cost "only" $50 billion. 

And for sure a lot less than Cheney's, who's the guy who told us that the invading American troops would be greeted as liberators by the people of Iraq.

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2010, 10:08:13 AM »
<<It was  George Bush that said it would be long and difficult.>>

Really?  And when did he say that?  Before the invasion or afterwards?



Before of course.

Sometimes I wonder if Bush critics ever paid any attention to Bush, lots of criticism , little evidence.


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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2010, 10:37:43 AM »
D'oh
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2010, 11:01:24 AM »
Bullshit.  He lets his administration do the lying for him and never said a word about it.