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Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« on: July 03, 2010, 08:07:42 PM »
The Biggest Michael Steele Gaffe of All
Jul 2 2010

To hear Michael Steele tell it, the Republican Party is at a crossroads in its stance on Afghanistan. After having campaigned on more troops, more funding for those troops, and more aggressive deployment of them in every election cycle since 9/11, Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele suggested to Republicans at a small gathering that President Obama started the war in Afghanistan and that Republican candidates should campaign against his decision to send more troops there. Literally.

Here's what he said:
Keep in mind, again, our federal candidates, this was a war of Obama's choosing. This is not, this is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in. It was one of those, one of those areas of the total [horde?] of foreign policy...that we would be a background sort of shaping the changes that were necessary in afghanistan as opposed to directly engaging troops. But it was the president who tried to be cute by...flipping the script deomonizing iraq while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan. Well if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right? Because everyone who has tried over a thousand years of history has failed. And there are reasons for that. There are other ways that we can engage in Afghanistan without committing more troops...

And so now for our candidates, whether they're running, you know for, Congress or the United States Senate, there is a whole text of resources available to them through our office, through the RNC, through the congressional committees, the senatorial congressional committees, and even some of the think tanks that help frame those arguments so that you know you don't get stopped on, 'Well, George Bush--' you know, fill in the blank. I think that that's going to be very helpful...


This, of course, is blatantly disconnected from historical fact. Yes, Obama did demonize Iraq in favor of Afghanistan, as war efforts go; yes, occupations of Afghanistan have failed before; yes, there may be other ways to influence Afghanistan through diplomacy and geopolitics (Vice President Biden has suggested some of these). But George W. Bush invaded Afghanistan, and fewer than 10 percent of Americans opposed his decision to do so.

Michael Steele has consistently taken criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike for "gaffes," the political term for doing something that's buffoonish or otherwise not quite right. Some of these appeared to matter, and some didn't. It was a "gaffe" to some when he said Rush Limbaugh wasn't the leader of the Republican Party, and that instead he himself was; it was a "gaffe" when he called abortion an "individual choice" in an interview with GQ. The meme caught on, and almost everything out of the ordinary that Steele has said since the spring of 2009 has been called a "gaffe" by someone, whether a slip of the tongue or an expression of true sentiment that wasn't calibrated perfectly to the pitch of Republican donors' ears.

This one, however, appears to be the biggest, and here's why:

1) Wars are more serious, and they are taken more seriously in politics.

2) He's advocating that federal candidates push this line. Who cares if Steele personally maybe leaned pro-choice, as his GQ slip seemed to indicate? That's his deal. In this case, it's about pushing Republican candidates in a tangible direction and supplying them with the materials to move in that way.

3) The reaction appears to be a shade more severe. As TalkingPointsMemo's Brian Beutler reports, GOP operatives are livid. William Kristol called on Steele to resign in a post at The Weekly Standard. He wrote:
And not on a trivial matter. At a time when Gen. Petraeus has just taken over command, when Republicans in Congress are pushing for a clean war funding resolution, when Republicans around the country are doing their best to rally their fellow citizens behind the mission, your comment is more than an embarrassment. It's an affront, both to the honor of the Republican party and to the commitment of the soldiers fighting to accomplish the mission they've been asked to take on by our elected leaders.

4) Steele's comments don't just fly in the face of how Republicans have stood on Afghanistan; they contradict an entire wing of the GOP -- its national security branch. That encompasses neocons, hardened veterans of the Senate, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and almost anyone who rose to prominence during the Bush administration. As new GOP soft-money groups emerge, Bush-era figures like Karl Rove are helping to raise millions to support the party. It's a wing of the GOP that still exerts massive influence.

Steele has always had his enemies, but he's been insulated from their criticisms and calls for his job, largely because it doesn't really hurt the GOP that much when he says unexpected things; the process to remove a chairman is so onerous; it would look bad if he stepped down; and it would look bad if the GOP, with its old-white-guy image, fired its first black chairman because he wouldn't get in line with what everyone else wanted him to do and say.

Don't take this latest statement by Steele as an actual redirection of GOP policy toward the war. It's not within Steele's power to guide such a shift, and the RNC issued a statement on Steele's comments that essentially reiterates GOP policy toward the war, placing the burden of Afghanistan on Obama.

Steele will probably survive this, for all the reasons listed above. Despite how unhappy some are about this, it is far easier for the committee to wait until Steele's term is up in January and let challengers mount their bids. And in his propensity to utter what so many call "gaffes," Steele actually evades more criticism. He just lets it rip. For better or worse, people expect things like this.


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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 12:17:14 AM »
Steele is a nice guy....somewhat conservative...but really
pretty worthless as the leader of the Republican Party.

I stopped giving money...

Steele can't hold his own with Democrats/Leftist.

I'll be glad when he is gone as leader of the RNC...he needs to find a safe district and run for Congress.
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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 10:04:52 AM »
I fail to see why, out of 300 million Americans, Steele should be one of only 435 Representatives. What has he ever done to merit this? And if he cannot run from the place where he lives, why should he be inflicted on people who are not even his neighbors?

Or do you see this buffoon as an official member of some official "ruling political caste"?
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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 11:13:30 PM »
I like Steele , this seems like a "trying too hard" kind of incident.

Generally the truth should be preferred , right?

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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010, 02:14:10 AM »
What "truth" would that be?
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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2010, 09:00:41 AM »
The truth would be that invading Afghanistan was a Juniorbush decision, as was the failure to nab Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora, because the troops were called away to invade Iraq. The truth would also be that as Iraq became the focus of the main effort, even after it was clear that there had been no WMD's, the situation in Afghanistan was allowed to deteriorate and the Taliban was allowed to recover.

Steele is a fool. Even his fellow Republicans refuse to support him and are denouncing the dumb crap he told the country.
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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 11:30:32 AM »
What "truth" would that be?

That invadeing Afganistan was the best choice offered , and that it was a choice fo the Bush Administration that had bi-partizen support.

Obama might have made a campaign promise to withdraw precipitously , but what is the issue for us there? I don't want to hold the president to really dumb campaign promises.

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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2010, 12:08:05 PM »
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The truth would be that invading Afghanistan was a Juniorbush decision

The truth is that Juniorbush is now in Crawford, TX and he has been for the last 18 months.

Obama has taken ownership of this war. It is now his baby. He decided to escalate the war and send in an additional 30k men, even though our military told him 40k were necessary. He fired his general because he is a thin skinned dipshit.

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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 12:13:11 PM »
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The truth would be that invading Afghanistan was a Juniorbush decision

The truth is that Juniorbush is now in Crawford, TX and he has been for the last 18 months.

Obama has taken ownership of this war. It is now his baby. He decided to escalate the war and send in an additional 30k men, even though our military told him 40k were necessary. He fired his general because he is a thin skinned dipshit.

Alright then , this is a project in which I wish President Obama continued success.

If he has co-opted our programme we shouldn't cuss , especially if he is getting good done.

We favor our party because of the good it can do , not because it merely exists or that it is our own.

Another party getting the good done need not be fought.

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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2010, 12:57:51 PM »
The fact is that Steele is a moron who lies. Not a worthy leader of even a group as despicable as the GOP. McCain and Graham have both repudiated him, but all you oafs want to do is dump on Obama.
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Re: Could Democrats "Steele" this election?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2010, 02:20:33 PM »
Probably because his decisions are far more detrimental to this country, than Steele's
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