More facts come out about Obama not born in USA

[Kramer]

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BORN IN THE USA?
Guess who's covering sensational claim on Obama's birth
National magazine publishes story about alleged White House cover-up
Posted: July 05, 2010
7:55 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

BOCA RATON, Fla. – The Hawaiian elections official who claims the White House is lying about Barack Obama being born in Hawaii and that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate even exists for the president in the state is now featured in a cover story in Globe Magazine to stand by his claims.

Tim Adams, 45, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 presidential campaign, is the basis of the report, with a banner headline reading: "Bombshell new evidence. Obama was not  born in U.S."

The Globe begins its account by stating, "A former Hawaii records official is sending shock waves through Washington, D.C., by revealing there is absolutely no birth certificate for Barack Obama! The bombshell revelation backs up long-standing claims that Obama – who insists he was born in a Honolulu hospital – really took his first breath in Kenya, and, as a result, violates the U.S. Constitution's requirements for the president to be a 'natural born' American."

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The Globe, a South Florida-based tabloid, is the first print publication to pick up the story initially posted online by WND June 10.

In fact, in every instance of a quotation from Adams, the tabloid appears to have simply copied Adams' comments to WND verbatim, without ever mentioning the remarks originated with a WND interview.

For instance, Adams is quoted as saying, "I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," a word-for-word replication of the WND story. "There is no birth certificate."

Other than Adams' repeated remarks, the Globe did not quote any named sources with new information. It did, however, publish comments from someone it referred to a "Beltway insider" who noted, "This is huge, and it's got a lot of people in Washington worried. If these comments turn out to be the smoking gun everyone has been talking about from the beginning, Obama will have some very serious problems on his hands."

The Globe says, "Experts say Obama wouldn't qualify to be president if he was born in Kenya because his late father, Barack Obama Sr., was not a U.S. citizen."

Adams, a Hillary Clinton supporter, has told WND that even despite his assertion Obama was not born in Hawaii in direct contradiction of White House claims, he personally believes Obama is a U.S. citizen who is eligible to hold the office of president, and thinks people questioning Obama's qualifications may be racist against blacks.


The Globe also notes Adams' former boss, Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for Honolulu, is disputing the Adams' allegations, saying the senior clerk had no access to birth records.

Adams told WND, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."

Adams stressed he was a manager at the elections office, saying, "I had a secretary, private office, two assistants and about 50 temp workers [under me]."

"The temporary status of my GS-15 level contract was not some temp agency worker," he told WND. "The current manager of the office [is] a lady who has worked there for about a decade – eight of those years she was on the same contract I possessed – [as] they are renewed annually following performance reviews. Getting a permanent, civil-service position is something that requires lots of hard work and time in a city like Honolulu, where everyone is competing for these secure, well-paying jobs. Glen [Takahashi] won't say I'm a liar, but I have inadvertently caused him quite a bit of trouble."

Adams previously told WND he expects his former co-workers still working in the elections office to say little, if anything, about the non-existent birth certificate because they fear for their jobs.

"If you're working in the civil service and you say this, you're done," Adams said. "Don't expect to have a good career, especially since the governor is on the other side. Embarassing them is not good for your career."

The Globe's insider noted, "Of course, officials in Hawaii are going to go out of their way to discredit this guy. But no matter what the White House tries to do, this whole thing just won't go away. It's ugly and it promises to keep getting worse."

Word of the magazine's coverage has some people online suggesting copies of the magazine get strategically placed in public locations.

One comment states: "We need to buy at least 5 copies to leave in conspicuous places like the doctor's office when you visit ; (be creative!) take it, be reading and once you get up to leave then leave a copy for someone else to 'enlighten' themselves."

Last August, the Globe ran another cover story proclaiming Obama's "official birth document" a fake, and repeated that assertion in its current issue, dated July 12, 2010.

This new edition also prominently displays what it calls "a damning photo of Obama in Kenya with relatives."

"Snapped in 1987," the magazine says, "some people believe it offers more proof that the president was born in his father's African homeland."

"This is the picture that will haunt Obama," the Globe's insider predicts. "There is no escaping the claims he was born in Kenya. His family lives there. He visits there. There is no birth certificate. It's a big problem."

Since WND's original story, Adams has said he's willing to testify in court about the matter, and he appeared on an ABC television affiliate to reiterate his claims.

[Universe Prince]

None of that looks like facts about Obama.

[Kramer]

None of that looks like facts about Obama.

you need to be able to read between the lines.

[Michael Tee]

Nothing in Tim Adams' job title indicates he had access to state birth records and his superior says unequivocally that he did not.  He was a temp.  This guy has no credibility whatsoever.  A certified extract from the state records should settle the issue and Obama has produced one.  Unless there is proof that the certified extract is either a false document or a forgery, the matter is closed.  Nobody has been able to prove that the certified extract was either a forgery or a false document.  Case closed.

[Stray Pooch]

Nothing in Tim Adams' job title indicates he had access to state birth records and his superior says unequivocally that he did not.  He was a temp.  This guy has no credibility whatsoever.  A certified extract from the state records should settle the issue and Obama has produced one.  Unless there is proof that the certified extract is either a false document or a forgery, the matter is closed.  Nobody has been able to prove that the certified extract was either a forgery or a false document.  Case closed.

That's not a good counterargument at all, Michael.  The word of the government generally has no credibility for you, and in this case there is a perfectly good reason (phenomenal cosmic power) for the government of Hawaii to deny these claims.   In order to discredit the certified extract, investigation must be performed with the end of discovering the original birth record.  I have to tell you, I generally discredit this kind of thing, but since producing an orginal birth record would solve the problem permanently, and neither Obama nor the Hawaiian government has done this, it smells kind of fishy.  Let's face iot, ifd there were a minor official working a temp job who claimed to have found a bombshell piece of evidence that Bush wrote a million dollar check to Osama bin Laden that was cashed on 9-10-2001, you would most likely think that man a voice of truth against power.  There is just as much chance that this fellow is the same thing. 

OTOH, the Globe is about six steps below Wikipedia as a credible source.  Actually, it is six steps below whatever is already six steps below Wikipedia.  It is at least a couple of steps below reading entrails.  It is, to its credit, still above the Weekly World News . . .

But in the end, since his mother is a US citizen, what his father is and where he was born is a minor technicality.  I doubt that his birth in Kenya (if indeed such a thing were true) would be a disqualifier in fact, and in spirit it is irrelevent.  Say what you want to, the man is American. 

[kimba1]

how does one get a drivers licence or state id in whatever state obama lives and does obama have a state id? would that clear it up?

[Universe Prince]

you need to be able to read between the lines.

There are no more facts between the lines than are actually in the lines. You've got one guy saying there is no birth certificate, and apparently a bunch of other people clinging to that story as if it means something. This story has gotten to be about as dumb as the "magic bullet".

[Michael Tee]

<<That's not a good counterargument at all, Michael.  The word of the government generally has no credibility for you, and in this case there is a perfectly good reason (phenomenal cosmic power) for the government of Hawaii to deny these claims.>>

But it's not "the word of the government," Pooch, it's the state records as certified.  And I DON'T trust them, I stated that nobody has proven the certified extract to be either a forgery or a false document (i.e., one stating that the records say something that they do not say.)

I guess to be logically complete, my argument ought also to have covered a third possibility, that the certified extract was genuine and reflected what had been originally recorded in the official records of the state, but that the original records were false in that what they recorded was not what had actually occurred.   In which case, there would have to be a very heavy onus of proof on the part of those who question the record to show that it is "fictitious" - -  one generally assumes that the keepers of the state records did not accept gossip, third-hand accounts or similar ephemera, but had a screening system in place to weed out the false reports of non-events.

<<In order to discredit the certified extract, investigation must be performed with the end of discovering the original birth record.

 <<I have to tell you, I generally discredit this kind of thing, but since producing an orginal birth record would solve the problem permanently, and neither Obama nor the Hawaiian government has done this, it smells kind of fishy. >>

I'm not sure that there is an original birth record in the sense of a hospital record of live birth.  There is no logical necessity for Obama to have been born in a hospital, and given the racism of the day, even if there were, a record of a mixed-race birth back in the day might not have been treated with the same respect and attention to detail as would have been warranted by the record of a white man's birth, even outside the Deep South.

<< Let's face iot, ifd there were a minor official working a temp job who claimed to have found a bombshell piece of evidence that Bush wrote a million dollar check to Osama bin Laden that was cashed on 9-10-2001, you would most likely think that man a voice of truth against power. >>

If a homeless street person who never worked a day in his life found bombshell evidence against Bush, I'd want to check it out of course, but I'd have to pay some attention to the credibility in the circumstances.  Nobody can operate on the basis that every single accusation against anyone he hates has to be true.

<< There is just as much chance that this fellow is the same thing. >>

His own superior claims he had no access to the information he claims to have accessed.  I've never seen the guy's job description, but it would be the easiest thing in the world to produce the job description to prove the superior is lying, but nobody has done so.  I'm an open-minded guy - - show me some proof that the superior was lying, show me a job description giving the temp access to the birth records and I'll be first in line to say "Holy shit, the guy DID have access."

<<OTOH, the Globe is about six steps below Wikipedia as a credible source.  Actually, it is six steps below whatever is already six steps below Wikipedia.  It is at least a couple of steps below reading entrails.  It is, to its credit, still above the Weekly World News . . .

<<But in the end, since his mother is a US citizen, what his father is and where he was born is a minor technicality.  I doubt that his birth in Kenya (if indeed such a thing were true) would be a disqualifier in fact, and in spirit it is irrelevent.  Say what you want to, the man is American.  >>

Well, I don't agree with the last line of reasoning.  My grand-children were born to my daughter, a Canadian citizen, in NYC, and they are NOT automatically Canadian citizens - - they had to be registered at the Canadian Consul-General in New York in order to acquire Canadian citizenship.  We're relatively liberal in our citizenship and immigration laws, and i'm sure the formalities would be at least as stringent for children of American citizens born abroad.

[Amianthus]

The Globe, a South Florida-based tabloid, is the first print publication to pick up the story initially posted online by WND June 10.

What, no stories about some woman bearing the child of ETs was available this week?

[Xavier_Onassis]

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