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The Elite Turn Against Obama
« on: July 07, 2010, 11:03:08 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/8874_aspenideasfestivalobamalosessupportofnationselite/print

The Elite Turn Against Obama

Lloyd Grove Lloyd Grove 

NEW YORK – Even the Aspen Ideas Festival, an annual gathering of the country's brightest lights, isn't Obama country anymore. Lloyd Grove on the president's waning support among the intelligentsia.

You’d think the well-heeled and enlightened eggheads at the Aspen Ideas Festival—which is running all week in this fashionable resort town with heady panel discussions and earnest disquisitions involving all manner of deep thinkers and do-gooders—would be receptive to an intellectually ambitious president with big ideas of his own.

In a way, the folks attending this cerebral conclave pairing the Aspen Institute think tank with the Atlantic Monthly magazine might even be seen as President Obama’s natural base.

Apparently not so much.

“The real problem we have,” Mort Zuckerman said, “are some of the worst economic policies in place today that, in my judgment, go directly against the long-term interests of this country.”

Obama’s top economic adviser, Larry Summers, and his departing budget director, Peter Orszag, can expect heavy weather when they land in Aspen later this week to make their case to this civic-minded clique of wealthy skeptics.

“If you’re asking if the United States is about to become a socialist state, I’d say it’s actually about to become a European state, with the expansiveness of the welfare system and the progressive tax system like what we’ve already experienced in Western Europe,” Harvard business and history professor Niall Ferguson declared during Monday’s kickoff session, offering a withering critique of Obama’s economic policies, which he claimed were encouraging laziness.

“The curse of longterm unemployment is that if you pay people to do nothing, they’ll find themselves doing nothing for very long periods of time,” Ferguson said. “Long-term unemployment is at an all-time high in the United States, and it is a direct consequence of a misconceived public policy.”

Ferguson was joined in his harsh attack by billionaire real estate mogul and New York Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman. Both lambasted Obama’s trillion-dollar deficit spending program—in the name of economic stimulus to cushion the impact of the 2008 financial meltdown—as fiscally ruinous, potentially turning America into a second-rate power.

“We are, without question, in a period of decline, particularly in the business world,” Zuckerman said. “The real problem we have…are some of the worst economic policies in place today that, in my judgment, go directly against the long-term interests of this country.”

Zuckerman added that he detects in the Obama White House “hostility to the very kinds of [business] culture that have made this the great country that it is and was. I think we have to find some way of dealing with that or else we will do great damage to this country with a public policy that could ruin everything.”

Ferguson added: “The critical point is if your policy says you’re going run a trillion-dollar deficit for the rest of time, you’re riding for a fall…Then it really is goodbye.” A dashing Brit, Ferguson added: “Can I say that, having grown up in a declining empire, I do not recommend it. It’s just not a lot of fun actually—decline.”

Ferguson called for what he called “radical” measures. “I can’t emphasize strongly enough the need for radical fiscal reform to restore the incentives for work and remove the incentives for idleness.” He praised “really radical reform of the sort that, for example, Paul Ryan [the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee] has outlined in his wonderful ‘Roadmap’ for radical, root-and-branch reform not only of the tax system but of the entitlement system” and “unleash entrepreneurial innovation.” Otherwise, Ferguson warned: “Do you want to be a kind of implicit part of the European Union? I’d advise you against it.”

This was greeted by hearty applause from a crowd that included Barbra Streisand and her husband James Brolin. “Depressing, but fantastic,” Streisand told me afterward, rendering her verdict on the session. “So exciting. Wonderful!”

Brolin’s assessment: “Mind-blowing.”

In a session Tuesday morning, Silicon Valley guru Michael Splinter piled on. “From an industry standpoint, it’s below what a lot of people in industry have viewed as the solution to the jobs problem,” Splinter, president of the Applied Materials solar energy company, complained about Obama’s economic performance. He was speaking to an agreeable audience in an interview with Atlantic Media owner David Bradley. “When I talk to venture capitalists, their companies are starting to move their manufacturing operations out of the United States…Our corporate tax rate, on a worldwide competitive basis, is just not competitive. Taiwan is lowering their rate to 20 to 15 percent in order to stay competitive with Singapore. These countries have made it their job to attract industry. You don’t get that sense here in the United States.”

The consensus was similar in an afternoon panel discussion on the decline of the American middle class. “He said jobs were going to be his No. 1 priority—there’s a huge disconnect between Washington and what’s going on out in the country,” nominal Obama supporter Arianna Huffington said. “The president’s economic team kept talking about a ‘cyclical’ problem. Larry Summers said jobs were a lagging economic indicator. All these things are simply wrong. The president put all his trust in the wrong economic team—an economic team that didn’t understand what was happening.”

Lloyd Grove is editor at large for The Daily Beast. He is also a frequent contributor to New York magazine and was a contributing editor for Condé Nast Portfolio. He wrote a gossip column for the New York Daily News from 2003 to 2006. Prior to that, he wrote the Reliable Source column for the Washington Post, where he spent 23 years covering politics, the media, and other subjects.


Michael Tee

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 12:00:49 PM »
I'm more elite than the elite.  I turned against Obama long before they did.

But (ahem!) to be serious for a moment:  the article is a crock.  The "elite" quoted here are the same schmucks who always were against a spread-the-wealth agenda and the motivation and mind-set go back to the Republican opposition to the New Deal.  Anyone who opposes Obama for fiscal reasons is just a cheap-ass conservative looking to hang on to a few more bucks at the expense of the poor and the starving in his own community.  Nothing new there, folks.  Same as it ever was.  Same as it ever was.

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 04:43:17 PM »
I'm more elite than the elite.  

Boy, ain't that the truth


I turned against Obama long before they did.

And we of the rational mind set turned against Obama, even before that


Anyone who opposes Obama for fiscal reasons is...

....of that rational mind set, who actually grasp fiscal responsibilty, budgeting within one's means, and above all, care about the well being of others by not stealing from them, by way of taxes, because they think they simply know better.

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 07:27:14 PM »
Isn't racism the cheif reason for opposition to Obama?

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 08:02:15 PM »
Isn't racism the cheif reason for opposition to Obama?

Since 95% of blacks voted for Obama, racism would be the chief reason he got elected in the first place, not counting the high percentage of whites that voted for him too. Many young whites have been brainwashed in school, to a certain degree, that many actually believe whites are the reason blacks are more likely to be poor, in prison, getting lousy jobs etc.

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 08:23:35 PM »
well actually

I do believe racism is a factor how he got into office. I believe kramer several times refered him in various terms as a hood or something similiar, despite his fairly impressive educational background. meaning his race will always make people underestimate him in america. I have no idea if affrimative action was involved in his education, but even so that doesn`t mean he`s no slouch in the brains dept.

but on the other hand his present action is what we should question .

95% black vote is also a no brainer, it`s not like they got anyone else worth thier time to vote.

if my serial killer grand uncle ran for office, I most likely vote for him also because he`s the best one I see to run america.

the pickings are slim .


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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 08:48:34 PM »
Who gets 95% of the Caucasian vote?

Is there a Caucasian vote?

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 08:50:51 PM »
well actually

I do believe racism is a factor how he got into office. I believe kramer several times refered him in various terms as a hood or something similiar, despite his fairly impressive educational background. meaning his race will always make people underestimate him in america. I have no idea if affrimative action was involved in his education, but even so that doesn`t mean he`s no slouch in the brains dept.

but on the other hand his present action is what we should question .

95% black vote is also a no brainer, it`s not like they got anyone else worth thier time to vote.

if my serial killer grand uncle ran for office, I most likely vote for him also because he`s the best one I see to run america.

the pickings are slim .



I don't recall any 'hood' comments that I made but with that said I am following not leading. In other words Obama is the one that has brought race into the mix not me. The press and people like Joe Biden and Harry Reid play the race card when they describe Obama as well dressed and talks well over people that look and speak like Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson.

Now that we all know that race is why Obama got elected (not his experience) and that Obama himself has chose to side with the black race over the white race proves it's silly to criticize me for calling a spade a spade when I see one.

Oh, and the health care program (aka ObamaCare) is nothing short of redistribution of wealth from middle class white folk to poor blacks.

http://blog.eyeblast.tv/2010/07/flashback-donald-berwick-we-must-redistribute-wealth/

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 08:54:40 PM »
Who gets 95% of the Caucasian vote?

Is there a Caucasian vote?

Oprah

whites made her a multi-billionaire -- gee how do we do that and be a racist nation at the same time?

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 09:02:22 PM »
heathcare is gonna get tricky, people already with private insurance (ex. kaiser) are gonna have to save cash to get a simple exam. it`s way too complicated to know what test are covered. I just paid $200 for my eye exam because  not all test are covered. the good news is I will go blind, so the test was not a waste of time or money.

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 10:00:09 PM »
heathcare is gonna get tricky, people already with private insurance (ex. kaiser) are gonna have to save cash to get a simple exam. it`s way too complicated to know what test are covered. I just paid $200 for my eye exam because  not all test are covered. the good news is I will go blind, so the test was not a waste of time or money.

Now that IS funny.

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 11:40:21 PM »
but the problem now is thier is no annual check up any more it`s now when i have the money to go.

is blue shield still the same or is it partial cover like kaiser?

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 12:40:40 AM »
but the problem now is thier is no annual check up any more it`s now when i have the money to go.

is blue shield still the same or is it partial cover like kaiser?

kaiser has full coverage if you want to buy it.

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Re: The Elite Turn Against Obama
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 12:57:31 AM »
but the problem now is thier is no annual check up any more it`s now when i have the money to go.

is blue shield still the same or is it partial cover like kaiser?

I have blue Cross . I bought a supplemental policy from Met Life that is vision only and another that is Dental only because Blue Cross is excellent except on those two coverages.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2010, 10:47:19 AM »
with insurance want is an issue being informed with your company plan after the facts is.

pretty sure alot of folks this year is finding this out. I didn`t have this problem til now.