Does pornography equal obscenity?

[kimba1]

wow
the answer came quick to me, basil dialators rules.

to a point on the subject of general porn ,obscene is overall subjective.

child porn (with the exception of CGI of course) involved a actual crime.

so using only the scene in a porn movie would be wrong because the goal is to see if it the whole has merrit.

in child porn the scene is the crime so .

in general porn it`s whatever the whole package is presented.

[Universe Prince]

If I had a movie with one scene in it where a child was raped, would it be necessary to see the rest of the movie to determine if the film was obscene?

Yes. Context matters.

If the movie contains material sufficient to - in and of itself - be considered obscene, then the rest of the film couldbe about Saint Bernadette and it would still be obscene.

That is not the standard used in our legal system.

There is, right now, a thriving child porn industry that DOESN'T go away.

And no one is saying child porn should be legal. The films for which Stagliano is on trial are not child porn.

There are children and adults being abused sexually and recorded on film.

Again, no one is saying that should be legal.

I know that the libertarian/liberal viewpoint says the government has no business controlling "victimless" behavior, but the issue of pornography (like the drug issue) goes far beyond the actions of consenting adults in "victimless" crimes.

I'm not even going to bother to go into battle on this issue, because I've heard it all before.  But the fact is, some things are wrong and ought to be discouraged.  There is a responsibility to protect freedom by using it appropriately.

The argument I think you're making is that all porn should be considered obscene, and therefore illegal, because of the existence of the idea of pornography can to lead to someone else being abused. If that is your argument, I have to say it is not good enough. I know you said you're not going to argue this, and that's fine. I just don't want to let that sort of "well it's wrong so there oughta be a law" argument pass without comment. I think it is a very bad foundation for law and law enforcement.

[Universe Prince]

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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[kimba1]

I got no interest watch any of his vids or the others mentioned, also the books mentioned.
but I do like mark twains huck finn and that was banned at one time.

I believed the bible got introuble in the fifties.

banned stuff should always be questioned

[Universe Prince]

WARNING: some offensive language in this post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Chatterley%27s_Lover#Controversy

British obscenity trial When the full unexpurgated edition was published by Penguin Books in Britain in 1960, the trial of Penguin under the Obscene Publications Act of 1959 was a major public event and a test of the new obscenity law. The 1959 act (introduced by Roy Jenkins) had made it possible for publishers to escape conviction if they could show that a work was of literary merit. One of the objections was to the frequent use of the word "fuck" and its derivatives. Another objection involves the use of the word "cunt". Various academic critics and experts of diverse kinds, including E. M. Forster, Helen Gardner, Richard Hoggart, Raymond Williams and Norman St John-Stevas, were called as witnesses, and the verdict, delivered on 2 November 1960, was "not guilty". This resulted in a far greater degree of freedom for publishing explicit material in the United Kingdom. The prosecution was ridiculed for being out of touch with changing social norms when the chief prosecutor, Mervyn Griffith-Jones, asked if it were the kind of book "you would wish your wife or servants to read". The Penguin second edition, published in 1961, contains a publisher's dedication, which reads: "For having published this book, Penguin Books were prosecuted under the Obscene Publications Act, 1959 at the Old Bailey in London from 20 October to 2 November 1960. This edition is therefore dedicated to the twelve jurors, three women and nine men, who returned a verdict of 'Not Guilty' and thus made D. H. Lawrence's last novel available for the first time to the public in the United Kingdom." In 2006, the trial was dramatised by BBC Wales as The Chatterley Affair. [...] United States In 1930, Senator Bronson Cutting proposed an amendment to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which was then being debated, ending the practice of having U.S. Customs censor allegedly obscene books imported to U.S. shores. Senator Reed Smoot vigorously opposed such an amendment, threatening to publicly read indecent passages of imported books in front of the Senate. Although he never followed through, he included Lady Chatterley's Lover as an example of an obscene book that must not reach domestic audiences, declaring "I've not taken ten minutes on Lady Chatterley's Lover, outside of looking at its opening pages. It is most damnable! It is written by a man with a diseased mind and a soul so black that he would obscure even the darkness of hell!"[14] Lady Chatterley's Lover was one of a trio of books (the others being Tropic of Cancer and Fanny Hill), the ban on which was fought and overturned in court with assistance by lawyer Charles Rembar in 1959. A French film (1955) based on the novel and released by Kingsley Pictures was in the United States the subject of attempted censorship in New York on the grounds that it promoted adultery.[15] The Supreme Court held that the law prohibiting its showing was a violation of the First Amendment's protection of Free Speech.[16] The book was famously distributed in the U.S. by Frances Steloff at the Gotham Book Mart, in defiance of the book ban.

[Universe Prince]

banned stuff should always be questioned

Amen to that.

[kimba1]

actually i might read that book now because of the language brought up.but not for the sex content alone.

I always like to see samples of how people talked or think of certain time periods. this would be a glimps of that time period.

actually today we`re in certain areas alot more prudish than people think. my nephew can`t handle the comedy roasts. it`s alot more fowl than rap ever will be

[Xavier_Onassis]

my nephew can`t handle the comedy roasts. it`s alot more fowl than rap ever will be

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I would say that intelligibility has a lot to do with this. In a comedy roast, there is no background noise, and the speakers are clearly understood.

With rap and hip-hop, it is often very difficult or even impossible to determine what they are saying. In addition, there is a lot of obscure slang and patois used, and that also makes it hard to understand.

Nothing really worth the bother is said in rap or hip-hop, so far as I can tell. It is therefore not normally worth the effort to try to decipher it by taping it and going over and over each word syllable by syllable, the way some have done with nonsense songs like "Louie, Louie".

I don't think that comedy roasts offer inspiring and revealing perspectives on existence, either. It does not bother me to hear foul language all that much, but too much of anything is just boring. That is why action films tend to put me to sleep. One exploding car can be exciting, but the fourteenth cannot excite anyone.

[Amianthus]

If I had a movie with one scene in it where a child was raped, would it be necessary to see the rest of the movie to determine if the film was obscene? 

"Pretty Baby"

[Amianthus]

actually today we`re in certain areas alot more prudish than people think.

Americans, in general, are very prudish compared to most of the rest of the world. I make fun of my wife's prudish behavior all the time. :-)

[kimba1]

pretty baby is proof how things changed.

look up david hamilton ,pretty much everything he makes is illegal in the states.

does anyone remember buck henry babysitter scetch?

[Universe Prince]

Well the prosecution did such a bad job, that the judge dismissed all charges against John Stagliano. So free speech wins the day. I'd like to say, let's hope this sort of thing never happens again, but we all know it will.

John Stagliano is Free on Obscenity Rap! Feds Bungle Case, Exclusive Q&A

[kimba1]

Saturday Night Live: Uncle Roy

this skit is so bad i couldn`t finish watching it.

warning content maybe distrubing.

it`s funny in the 80`s ,today maybe not

[kimba1]

this is obscene?

The Wedding Day -- Official Trailer

ok maybe to some guys may find this hard to watch

[Xavier_Onassis]

The first SNL skit was only sort of amusing, but they have done a lot worse lately. Only one in five SNL skits are actually funny anymore.

The trailer for "The Wedding Day" was perfectly awful. It could have only have been made worse only by replacing the characters with manga cartoons. Films with the words "Wedding" and "Bride" in them are generally awful. This was one of the the worst trailers I have ever seen. They would have to pay me to watch this thing. Somehow, even worse than a soap opera. The music was seriously annoying as well.