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Re: Inside the Fog of War: Reports From the Ground in Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 01:51:12 PM »
Was the purpose of the leaks to strengthen or weaken the resolve of the US and allies to see this through?

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Re: Inside the Fog of War: Reports From the Ground in Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 01:51:27 PM »
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Re: Inside the Fog of War: Reports From the Ground in Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 04:01:52 PM »
I can't help but recall how in Obama's campaign days, how he claimed that the REAL war was Afghanistan, that Iraq was merely a distraction by Bush, from the god-awful 4% unemployment, and terrible economy/debt

I wonder what they're saying now?
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Re: Inside the Fog of War: Reports From the Ground in Afghanistan
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 04:33:36 PM »
I wonder what they're saying now?

They are saying the "real war is in Pakistan".
Thats the way the liberals operate.
To justify "cut & run" they claim the war is always some place else.
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Re: Inside the Fog of War: Reports From the Ground in Afghanistan
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 06:03:43 PM »


Wikileaks, Insignificant

07.26.2010

The Pentagon Papers they're not. The New York Times and the Guardian, among others, are touting the massive leak of 92,000 classified documents relating to the Afghanistan War, which was unearthed by the Wikileaks website. What bombshells do these secret memos contain? Pretty much none, if you are an even marginally attentive follower of the news.

In fact, the only new thing I learned from the documents was that the Taliban have attacked coalition aircraft with heat-seeking missiles. That is interesting to learn but not necessarily terribly alarming because, even with such missiles, the insurgents have not managed to take down many aircraft certainly nothing like the toll that Stingers took on the Red Army in the 1980s.

As for the other "revelations," here is the best the Times could do after weeks of examining the documents:

The documents suggest that Pakistan, an ostensible ally of the United States, allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan.

The military employs more and more drone aircraft to survey the battlefield and strike targets in Afghanistan, although their performance is less impressive than officially portrayed. Some crash or collide, forcing American troops to undertake risky retrieval missions before the Taliban can claim the drone's weaponry.

The Central Intelligence Agency has expanded paramilitary operations inside Afghanistan. The units launch ambushes, order airstrikes and conduct night raids. From 2001 to 2008, the C.I.A. paid the budget of Afghanistan's spy agency and ran it as a virtual subsidiary.

Secret commando units like Task Force 373 a classified group of Army and Navy special operatives work from a capture/kill list of about 70 top insurgent commanders. These missions, which have been stepped up under the Obama administration, claim notable successes, but have sometimes gone wrong, killing civilians and stoking Afghan resentment.

Is it really news to anyone that Pakistan supports the Taliban? Or that Special Operations Forces and the CIA are conducting raids against the Taliban? If so, these must be the worst-kept secrets in the world. Senior U.S. officials have quite openly spoken about Pakistan's role and about the Special Operations raids. As usual, comments on the CIA's role have been more circumspect, but the agency's involvement has been written about in numerous books and articles and not denied by senior officials.

Perhaps the biggest faux news here is that unmanned aerial vehicles sometimes "crash or collide." This would come as a revelation, presumably, only to those who believe that military operations in wartime should achieve a standard of perfection unknown in any other human activity.

The Guardian, as befitting the more freewheeling (and less factual) culture of British journalism, tries harder to hype the findings, which, it claims, provide a "devastating portrait of the failing war in Afghanistan." Actually, the documents show no such thing. At most, they provide a ground-level view of difficulties the coalition experienced in Afghanistan between 2001 and 2009.

Nobody denies that the war was being lost in that period; in fact, that was the rationale for the surge in forces orchestrated by the Bush and Obama administrations since 2008 to turn around a failing war effort. The documents do not at all reflect on how the war is going now because they don't cover this year. Even if they did, their usefulness would be highly limited: like most such reports, they provide a soda-straw view of events narrowly circumscribed by time and location. The fact that blunders and casualties occur in wartime should hardly be news; whether those blunders and casualties amount to a failing war effort or whether they are part of the fog and friction normal even in victory is more than the documents can tell us.

The Wikileakers should certainly be castigated for their cavalier treatment of classified documents, which may make our troops' jobs harder and more dangerous. Their enablers in the mainstream media should also come in for censure. Whoever provided the information to them should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But at the same time, we should recognize this disclosure for what it is: an unsuccessful attempt to damage the war effort. I doubt that anyone will remember this episode a year from now; what will count, as always, will be the outcome on the battlefield. Win, and a thousand missteps are forgiven; lose, and even the biggest tactical victories fade into insignificance.

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Re: Inside the Fog of War: Reports From the Ground in Afghanistan
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 06:27:48 PM »
The military employs more and more drone aircraft to survey the battlefield and strike targets in Afghanistan, although their performance is less impressive than officially portrayed. Some crash or collide, forcing American troops to undertake risky retrieval missions before the Taliban can claim the drone's weaponry.


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The Taliban have technicians that can repair a crashed Hellfire missile?


Perhaps we should allow the Taliban to claim a few wrecked drones , if we but some transmitters in the LRUs it would bell the cat.

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