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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2010, 12:30:23 AM »
All things considered, that's saying quite a lot.
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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2010, 12:53:09 AM »
All things considered, that's saying quite a lot.

well, since you are the universal prince everything crosses your mind.

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2010, 08:18:17 AM »
you and and your Triple-slit experiment are boring. Plane liked it though so don't feel too bad.

Yes, I understand that a lack of intelligence makes the story seem boring. However, those of us with normal or better levels of intelligence find it interesting.
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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2010, 10:46:45 AM »
you and and your Triple-slit experiment are boring. Plane liked it though so don't feel too bad.

Yes, I understand that a lack of intelligence makes the story seem boring. However, those of us with normal or better levels of intelligence find it interesting.


You have a fixation on intelligence going way back. Is there something in your past that keeps bringing up this word in so many of your posts or is this just a typical and boring response, because you have nothing else in your ammo bag? Is this 'intelligence' thing a deep seated childhood scar or wound that keeps rearing its ugly head revealing something sinister and ugly about a past event in your life? Did someone in your early life taunt or keep telling you that you were dumb or not smart enough? I find that both you and XO seem to use this (dumb label) as your #1 insult. Have you ever considered adding other insults to your repertoire or do you plan on using the generic 'you are dumb' line all the time? It certainly would be more entertaining being more creative with your insults or shall I say childish retorts. Or is creativity lacking in your so-called superior intelligence? Are you one of those really brainy guys that lack common sense? I find it odd that you have taken this triple slit experiment thing so personal, why? What is your investment? Just because the subject is as boring as watching paint dry (to most people) shouldn't curb your enthusiasm. By all means have a good time delving deeper and deeper into the subject. No doubt I'm wrong and you are right that most people are just fascinated by this subject. In his next SOTUA Obama should devote at least 5,000 words to the subject. The experiment is so interesting that I bet there are forums that go on and on about the subject. Don't let my lack of appreciation pop your bubble or spoil you party. By all means keep having fun with it. I just have one question though: I assume you are pretty familiar with the Double Slit Experiment that shows photons behaving as waves and or particles? Well I was wondering if a Triple Slit experiment had ever been tried or theorized about. It's well known that detecting a photon passing through one of two paths will cause the probability waveform to collapse in a Double Slit Experiment and show that photon behaving as a particle, but what would be the effect of monitoring one possible path in a triple slit experiment? Detecting the photon passing along the monitored path would obviously result in it behaving as a particle, but not detecting it would result in it having an equal probability of passing along either of the other two paths to the detector screen, would you end up with an experiment that showed a photon behaving as both a particle and a wave all in one experiment, or would the detecting device in one of the three paths result in every photon showing particle properties?

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2010, 11:06:54 AM »
Most creative people find science interesting. I'm sorry you don't have the creativity to see it.
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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2010, 11:13:00 AM »
I just have one question though: I assume you are pretty familiar with the Double Slit Experiment that shows photons behaving as waves and or particles? Well I was wondering if a Triple Slit experiment had ever been tried or theorized about. It's well known that detecting a photon passing through one of two paths will cause the probability waveform to collapse in a Double Slit Experiment and show that photon behaving as a particle, but what would be the effect of monitoring one possible path in a triple slit experiment? Detecting the photon passing along the monitored path would obviously result in it behaving as a particle, but not detecting it would result in it having an equal probability of passing along either of the other two paths to the detector screen, would you end up with an experiment that showed a photon behaving as both a particle and a wave all in one experiment, or would the detecting device in one of the three paths result in every photon showing particle properties?

I assume from this question that you read neither the article nor Plane's response. This article is about the results of a team *conducting* the triple split experiment. And the weirdness that shows up in the double slit experiments also shows up in the triple split experiment, which confirms that subatomic particles have the ability to pass through all three slits simultaneously. These experiments show the "duality" of nature - detectors that register particles show them as particles, while detectors that register waves show them as waves. Which confirms that subatomic particles are actually blobs of uncollapsed probability waves, which collapse when you "look" at them.
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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2010, 11:16:59 AM »
I just have one question though: I assume you are pretty familiar with the Double Slit Experiment that shows photons behaving as waves and or particles? Well I was wondering if a Triple Slit experiment had ever been tried or theorized about. It's well known that detecting a photon passing through one of two paths will cause the probability waveform to collapse in a Double Slit Experiment and show that photon behaving as a particle, but what would be the effect of monitoring one possible path in a triple slit experiment? Detecting the photon passing along the monitored path would obviously result in it behaving as a particle, but not detecting it would result in it having an equal probability of passing along either of the other two paths to the detector screen, would you end up with an experiment that showed a photon behaving as both a particle and a wave all in one experiment, or would the detecting device in one of the three paths result in every photon showing particle properties?

I assume from this question that you read neither the article nor Plane's response. This article is about the results of a team *conducting* the triple split experiment. And the weirdness that shows up in the double slit experiments also shows up in the triple split experiment, which confirms that subatomic particles have the ability to pass through all three slits simultaneously. These experiments show the "duality" of nature - detectors that register particles show them as particles, while detectors that register waves show them as waves. Which confirms that subatomic particles are actually blobs of uncollapsed probability waves, which collapse when you "look" at them.

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2010, 11:19:47 AM »
Now that we have solved that one can we move on to Black Holes?

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2010, 03:47:40 PM »
There could be any number of slits involved .

The important part is the spaceing and the width of the slits .

This isn't easy , but you could make a grateing or a screen that caused an interference pattern as a single photon took every possible path the way a wave does . This ought to prove that a photon is a wave , but it doesn't because other experiments prove equally well that it behaves like a particle.


Now you still cannot pitch a baseball throw two diffrent windows in the same wall in a single pitch and you cannot get a sea wave to sit still , but the line that seaprates the weird duality of quantum reality gets a little clearer with each new experiment.


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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2010, 08:52:53 PM »
Now that we have solved that one can we move on to Black Holes?

Another unrealized porn reference, Kramer?

I'll put in a vote to let Ami and others keep putting science-related articles on the board.  They are interesting, though obviously not to you.  I would say that they are among the few threads unlikely to lead to pointless flame wars,  but this thread indicates that I underestimate the abilities and resolve of the thermowarrior set.
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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2010, 09:48:08 PM »
Now that we have solved that one can we move on to Black Holes?

Another unrealized porn reference, Kramer?

I'll put in a vote to let Ami and others keep putting science-related articles on the board.  They are interesting, though obviously not to you.  I would say that they are among the few threads unlikely to lead to pointless flame wars,  but this thread indicates that I underestimate the abilities and resolve of the thermowarrior set.

My my the Mormon has a dirty mind. The only thing that comes to my mind about black holes other than Black Holes is that thing they call a brain on Obama. Now that is a massive black hole that needs to be studied by mental health professionals.

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2010, 10:42:15 PM »
For a single Photon , you really can't perform two tests.

If you perform a test that fixes the position of the photon at a point you cannot also perform a test that finds a diffraction pattern , you may choose either one but never both .


Very simple , the photon is destroyed by the first test so it cannot be tested again.

For slightly larger particles or waves two tests can be performed , but the accuracy of one is affected by the other.

Heisenburg proved that there is a minimum energy required for any test , so there is a directly related limit on precision in very small measurements. at the tinyness of a single photon , the minimum energy is near the size of the photon itself.

I wonder if there might be a dodge for sidestepping the Heisenburg limits on precision?  Experiments like this bring us close.

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2010, 11:21:10 PM »
Experiments like this bring us close.

oh yeah, I'm feeling the closeness, are you? Would that be called the Heisenburg Maneuver?

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Re: Triple-slit experiment confirms reality is quantum
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2010, 11:35:59 PM »
Experiments like this bring us close.

oh yeah, I'm feeling the closeness, are you? Would that be called the Heisenburg Maneuver?


We are indeed close.

When you use a cell phone or a gps a good understanding of quantum effects and Einstienian rules of times relitivity are being demonstrated and used , quantum effects are important in the design of small circuits, and without correcting for the compression of time due to the satilites speed a gps couldn't aviod large error.

As circuits shrink and the individual pulses of electrons that operate the transistors also shrink , it becomes moe important all the time to understand quantum effects.