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Do as I say, not as I do....revisited
« on: July 24, 2010, 12:17:50 PM »
Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax
By Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa
Friday, July 23, 2010


John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I.

Isabel - Kerry?s luxe, 76-foot New Zealand-built Friendship sloop with an Edwardian-style, glossy varnished teak interior, two VIP main cabins and a pilothouse fitted with a wet bar and cold wine storage - was designed by Rhode Island boat designer Ted Fontaine.

But instead of berthing the vessel in Nantucket, where the senator summers with the missus, Teresa Heinz, Isabel?s hailing port is listed as ?Newport? on her stern.

Could the reason be that the Ocean State repealed its Boat Sales and Use Tax back in 1993, making the tiny state to the south a haven - like the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and Nassau - for tax-skirting luxury yacht owners?

Cash-strapped Massachusetts still collects a 6.25 percent sales tax and an annual excise tax on yachts. Sources say Isabel sold for something in the neighborhood of $7 million, meaning Kerry saved approximately $437,500 in sales tax and an annual excise tax of about $70,000.

The senior senator?s chief of staff David Wade denied the old salt was berthing his boat out of state to avoid ponying up to the commonwealth.

?The boat was designed by and purchased from a company in Rhode Island, and it?s based in Newport at the Newport Shipyard for long-term maintenance, upkeep and charter purposes, not tax reasons,? Wade told the Track.

And state Department of Revenue spokesguy Bob Bliss confirmed the senator ?is under no obligation to pay the commonwealth sales tax.?

But back in 2006, then-gubernatorial candidate Christy Mihos took some flack for avoiding some $23,000 in Bay State sales tax and $1,320 in local excise taxes by berthing his motor yacht in Rhode Island. But Mihos paid just $475,000 for his 36-foot vessel Ashley and readily admitted that he used the boat at his West Yarmouth summer home.

However, according to Bliss, if Kerry berths the Isabel in Massachusetts waters within six months of purchasing the boat, there?s a ?presumption of use? and the Heinz-Kerrys would have to walk the plank and pony up to the Bay State. After six months, should the boat change its berth to, say, Nantucket, then it?s up to the state to go after them for the taxes, Bliss added.

Yesterday, the Isabel, which lists Great Point LLC of Pittsburgh, Penn., as its owner, was getting a spruce-up at the Hinckley shipyard in Portsmouth, R.I. Sources say the senior senator is demanding that some warranty work be done.

Fontaine, a protege of legendary sailboat designer Ted Hood, was tight-lipped about the owners of Isabel but he did confirm the boat was built in New Zealand. According to Internet reports, Kerry was seen in Whangarei last December inspecting his new high-seas plaything.


Such a fine example of liberal compassion
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do....revisited
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 12:29:10 PM »
I hate these people

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 04:43:12 PM »
Do you hate Rupert Murdock, when he follows HIS accountant's advice to pay less in taxes?

Or how about Sarah Palin? If she could beat the taxman, would you hate HER as well?
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 06:24:26 PM »
Do you hate Rupert Murdock, when he follows HIS accountant's advice to pay less in taxes?

Or how about Sarah Palin? If she could beat the taxman, would you hate HER as well?


Rupert unlike Kerry doesn't run around pushing taxes on everyone. The least Kerry could do is pay his taxes if he's going to push them on everyone else. Kerry is a hypocrite and so are you. Kinda like a Republican that runs around talking about family values then gets caught cheating on his wife. It's the same hypocrisy. Anyway Kerry is rich so the few bucks he's saving by being a sneaky asshole just hurts the little people he claims to be for. What a piece of shit.

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 11:28:43 PM »
Apparently Kerry feels he's already payed his fair share
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do....revisited
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 09:37:16 AM »
Tax avoidance is not hypocrisy. Kerry did not vote for the Massachusetts tax, and can register his boat anywhere he chooses. I am certainly not guilty of hypocrisy on this issue, because I have no boat at all. You are surely totally ignorant of anything Murdoch does about taxes, and only posted this piece of crap because you heard all about it on some rightwing radio station or some dumb blog somewhere.
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Re: Do as I say, not as I do....revisited
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 11:46:18 AM »
Sometimes the fault is with the tax dodger , sometimes the fault is with the tax.


How many people are only marginally able to afford a boat?

When the tax rises it will always knock a few marginal persons off the list of boat buyers , I bet the working class guys that build and maintain boats appreaciate the tax breaks that are good for their business.

If taxes were more reasonable I suppose we would see more boating .

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 11:55:03 AM »
Tax avoidance is not hypocrisy. Kerry did not vote for the Massachusetts tax, and can register his boat anywhere he chooses. I am certainly not guilty of hypocrisy on this issue, because I have no boat at all. You are surely totally ignorant of anything Murdoch does about taxes, and only posted this piece of crap because you heard all about it on some rightwing radio station or some dumb blog somewhere.

What makes you an expert on Murdoch? The article says nothing about boat registration, Kerry is avoiding dock fees you dumb-ass moron. Blogs are not dumb they are just blogs and I didn't get the article from a blog, so once again you are WRONG.. I never said Kerry voted for the tax but sense he acts like he likes taxes then he should not avoid them but embrace them. Clearly he lacks character and so do you for trying to defend such hypocrisy. Oh and you are a fat balding cranky old prick that is clueless and makes shit up as you go.

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 02:07:44 PM »
Tax avoidance is not hypocrisy.

Sure it is....when it comes from someone perpetually railing on how "the rich" need to pay their "fair share", as if the progressive tax that has "the rich" paying for pretty much 90% of all government function, isn't enough.

Kerry married into the uber-rich.  If he were to practice what he preaches, he wouldn't be dodging his tax mandates.  None of the liberal left would.  If they were these supposed compassionate uber-rich liberals, merely looking to help one's fellow man, they'd be paying whatever taxes they could.....and then some

Those that don't, are the hypocrites.  And those that try to defend them, are demonstrating uber-ignorance



 
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 02:38:52 PM »
I see no hypocrisy in tax avoidance, only tax evasion. I fail to see why anyone should get worked up about Kerry's damned yacht. Warren Buffett has said for years that his taxes should be higher, because his secretary pays at a higher rate. But he does not voluntarily send in an extra check, and you buffoons do not attack him, either.

Rhode Island is as convenient to a Massachusetts resident as almost any place in Mass, anyway. If you think that this is unfair, complaining to me will get you nowhere. Send a letter to Kerry and his wife or something.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 03:33:45 PM »
I see no hypocrisy in tax avoidance, only tax evasion. I fail to see why anyone should get worked up about Kerry's damned yacht. Warren Buffett has said for years that his taxes should be higher, because his secretary pays at a higher rate. But he does not voluntarily send in an extra check, and you buffoons do not attack him, either.

Rhode Island is as convenient to a Massachusetts resident as almost any place in Mass, anyway. If you think that this is unfair, complaining to me will get you nowhere. Send a letter to Kerry and his wife or something.

bozo, taxes should be higher for the people that pay little or none and lower for the people that pay 90% of the taxes paid. Is that too hard to understand.

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 07:29:52 PM »
I see no hypocrisy in tax avoidance, only tax evasion.

LOL...of course you don't.  He has a "D" after his name


I fail to see why anyone should get worked up about Kerry's damned yacht. Warren Buffett has said for years that his taxes should be higher, because his secretary pays at a higher rate. But he does not voluntarily send in an extra check, and you buffoons do not attack him, either.

Getting weak with the continued deflection efforts by injecting others like Buffett & Murdoch.  This is about Kerry....one of the "champions of liberal ideology", oodles of compassion for the "little guy", advocator of any and every tax raise as possible, to champion the socialist cause

Except of course, when its his money.  Then we need to do whatever we can to minimize his "fair share".  And there you are defending it.  Says as much about you and your convictions, as it does his



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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 08:09:03 PM »
I am not defending anything, you drooling moron. I am only saying that it is only because you hate Kerry that you bring this up. Kerry has broken no laws. But everyone avoids all the taxes that they can avoid. That is not a crime, and I am not going to treat it as one. If Kerry really were a socialist, he would be for nationalizing the means of production, and then taxes would be irrelevant: they would be included in the price of products.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 08:42:48 PM »
You sure as hell as are.  IF you were this liberal of good conviction, you'd be criticising Kerry for exactly the hypocrisy he's showing, pushing taxes, while avoiding to pay his.  Instead, there you are defending it, "he hasn't broken any laws", as if this story implies he has, that "everyone" tries to avoid paying taxes.   As well as the standard Xo deflection effort, of trying to pull in messers Murdock & Buffett, as if they have ANYTHING to do with Kerry, or this story.

Again, shows just as much about your supposed convictions, as it does Kerry's

And FYI, I don't hate Kerry, I hate hypocrisy
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 08:51:50 PM »
I am not defending anything, you drooling moron. I am only saying that it is only because you hate Kerry that you bring this up. Kerry has broken no laws. But everyone avoids all the taxes that they can avoid. That is not a crime, and I am not going to treat it as one. If Kerry really were a socialist, he would be for nationalizing the means of production, and then taxes would be irrelevant: they would be included in the price of products.

one day as you hobble down the nursing home corridor drooling spit down your chin your nurse will wipe it off and say it's ok Richard it's ok.