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« on: August 08, 2010, 01:47:41 PM »


Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright

08:59 AM CDT on Sunday, August 8, 2010

By SHERRY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News

As Republican members of Congress press for changes to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, preventing automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants, opponents insist the debate is not really about babies.

The debate could resonate in Texas, where not only 1.5 million illegal immigrants are estimated to reside but at least 60,000 babies are added to their households annually.

 Parkland Memorial Hospital delivers more of those babies than any other hospital in the state. Last year at Parkland, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of total deliveries. Most of these women are believed to be in the country illegally.

State Rep. Rafael Ancha, D-Dallas, accused Republicans of using the births to generate an explosive election issue.

"They're pulling the pin on the immigration grenade," he said. "It's all about the November elections and continuing to use the immigration issue as a wedge to win votes this fall."

But to Republicans, the emerging national debate is long overdue, considering that millions of immigrants have been living illegally in this country for years.

"They're violating our law, and we're giving their children the benefit of U.S. citizenship," said state Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, whose 2009 bill in the Legislature would have challenged the birthright of immigrant children.

That bill died in committee, although Berman has vowed to file another version next year that would prohibit the state from issuing birth certificates to the children of "illegal aliens."

 "I've checked the Congressional Record for when the 14th Amendment was written, and the author was quoted as saying that it did not apply to foreigners," he said. "There's no question in my mind about it."


Amendment's history

 The 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868 as a way to block state laws that prevented former slaves from becoming citizens. It also effectively overruled the Dred Scott decision of 1857 in which the U.S. Supreme Court declared that slaves were mere property and could not become citizens.

The amendment offered a broad definition of citizenship in one simple sentence: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

 Donald Kerwin, a vice president of the Migration Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., said he feared that altering the current interpretation of that law "would essentially restore the Dred Scott reasoning and create a hereditary underclass in the United States.

"These children, who didn't break any laws, would have no rights and nowhere to go," he said. "It's a very extreme position."

The effort to reinterpret the 14th Amendment has been talked about for years and been targeted by numerous congressional measures that went nowhere. Last year's unsuccessful Birthright Citizenship Act, which had about 100 co-sponsors in Congress, would have required at least one parent to be a U.S. citizen for a baby to become an American citizen at birth.

The difference in this year's effort to change the 14th Amendment is that prominent Republicans are offering their support and making public statements demanding a national debate of the issue.

 Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, called Wednesday for a review of "birthright citizenship," after concluding that illegal immigrants had taken advantage of the post-Civil War constitutional provision.

"We need to have hearings," he said. "We need to consult constitutional scholars and study what the implications are."

 Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he might introduce a constitutional amendment that would repeal the citizenship provision of the amendment.

And both Arizona Republican senators, John McCain and John Kyl, announced that the time was ripe for such a change.

"If both parents are here illegally, should there be a reward for their illegal behavior?" Kyl said recently on a Sunday morning talk show.

Changing the Constitution, however, is not as simple as getting a bill through Congress by majority vote.

 Amendments have to be approved by a two-thirds vote in both the Senate and the House of Representatives, then ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures. It has happened only 27 times in U.S. history, most recently in 1992 in reference to congressional pay increases.

This latest effort would fall far short of tackling the entire Latino population now living illegally in the U.S. ? the 11 million to 12 million people, according to estimates by the Pew Hispanic Center ? because it would target only the children.

That distinction has drawn an outcry from some, who believe the U.S. should be embracing its growing diversity rather than trying to disenfranchise the youngest elements of it.

"Babies are born without awareness, while other individuals chose to migrate because they want something," said Dr. Jacobo Kupersztoch, an associate professor at Richland College. "If we want to grow and we want to continue to be on the top of the world, we have to continue to integrate these people into our system."

In Texas alone, between 60,000 to 65,000 babies achieve U.S. citizenship annually by being born in the state's hospitals, according to a tally released by the state's Health and Human Services Commission. Last year, such births represented almost 16 percent of the total births statewide.

Between 2001 and 2009, births to illegal immigrant women totaled 542,152 in Texas alone.

 "The next 10 years will be an even more transformative decade demographically for Texas," said Dr. Roberto Calderon, an associate history professor at the University of North Texas and a Latin American expert following the debate.

 He speculated that the Republicans probably were aware of this ongoing demographic shift and how it might threaten their party since Hispanic voters tend to support Democrats.

"Manipulating the status ... the rights and the opportunities for Latinos is the only avenue many on the conservative right see as a solution to remaining viable electorally," he said. "They're expecting what used to be safe Republican seats on the state and federal level will no longer be so safe."

 However, Dr. Steve Murdock, a past director of the U.S. Census Bureau, said it would be difficult ? even impossible ? to turn this demographic tide by targeting the legal status of future births.

"It might slow it down some," he said. "But the idea that the majority of Texas Hispanics are illegal is ludicrous. The vast majority are citizens."

 Murdock, previously the state's chief demographer and now a professor at Rice University, said the growth of Hispanics as a group in Texas has more to do with their relatively younger ages than the Anglo majority and their higher birthrates.

"In the last decade in Texas, over 60 percent of the state population increase was due to Hispanics," he said. "The idea that the growth of Hispanics is sudden or happened only in the past few years or only in Texas is not correct."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080810dnmetbabies.2be9a7e.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2010, 03:04:31 PM »
‎60k babies of illegals born every year just in Texas, and growing. 11k in Dallas' Parkland Hospital - where a staggering 74% of births are to non-citizen mothers, most illegal. Even though the Dallas paper tries to make this about race, it is about financial sanity. Illegals cost the U.S. $113 billion annually - that's $200 billion more than the ENTIRE cost of ObamaCare ...over the next decade. No immigration "reform" will stop it. Neither will the figleaf "border security" bill the Senate just passed - with a puny 1,400 unarmed Guard troops and a mere 2 drones to cover 1,951 miles of border. Let your legislator know: there can be no discussion of "reform" without first securing the borders - for real - and second the elimination, by whatever legal means required, of so-called "birthright citizenship":
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2010, 05:48:35 PM »
This is an inaccurate statistic, as if the work illegals do had to be done by legal citizens, much more would be paid, and many prices would be much higher. If one has a bogus SS card, deductions are taken out of the illegal's check, but he gets nothing back, ever, and those amounts are not calculated into the social services received.


I really doubt that the XIV Amendment can be changed, and I don't think that citizenship by birth can be revoked without changing the amendment. I don't even think a majority of people will want to change it,and  the discussion will cause a nasty hatefest. Of course, in 1866 when this was passed, the idea was that the country could use a lot more people, so long as they were not Chinese. Or so I have read in the history books.

Trying to pass this, however, will lose the GOP lots of votes. Bobby Jindal would not be a citizen if this had not been the law: his parents were both here on student visas when he was born.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2010, 06:10:33 PM »
60,000 newborn babies = 60,000 threats to the nation

What a bunch of paranoid, sissified wimps.  Now Americans feel threatened by babies.

Does anyone outside the right-wing fringe really believe that these babies will "threaten" America, or that they will drain the Treasury, when, as XO pointed out, the parents that gave birth to them are busting their ass doing stoop labour for cheapskate American employers who probably would be paying twice their salaries PLUS BENEFITS to Americans who would otherwise be doing their work?

Let's cut the bullshit.  This is not about "threats" of any kind to America or even to the American Treasury.  It's about racism pure and simple.  Everyone understands that the "illegals" giving birth to the 60,000 Texas babies are not illegal Irish, or illegal Serbians or illegal Frenchwomen.   There are 60,000 new Mexicans and Central Americans in Texas, 60,000 mestizos in fact, and this is darkening the lily-white skin of America in an unacceptable way.  Why not just cut all the bullshit and admit it's all about race?

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2010, 07:07:49 PM »
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Let's cut the bullshit.  This is not about "threats" of any kind to America or even to the American Treasury.

Actually it is a threat to the budget of the city of Dallas.

Perhaps Toronto would like to pay for these births.


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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2010, 08:49:27 PM »
Racists and fascists see "threats to the budget" of various institutions wherever some kind of benefit is being provided to some kind of non-white recipient.  OTOH, they see no "threats to the budget" in various wars waged all over the world at costs of a thousand times the cost of all the newborn wards in Dallas.  Funny how that works.  "Threat to the budget" my ass.

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2010, 09:09:21 PM »
I seriously doubt the City of Dallas has a department of defense line item in their budget.

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2010, 11:32:33 PM »
I seriously doubt that the citizens of Dallas who object to their hospitals' increased costs due to babies of illegal immigrants give a shit one way or the other about the increased costs to the U.S. Treasury of the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.  Their concern for "costs" is wholly bogus.

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2010, 12:02:00 AM »
We need these babies .

We have lost many more than this to abortion and we are running down our productive age population.

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2010, 12:44:23 AM »
It's not just Dallas, this INSANITY is going on across the US!

Martin County Hospital - costs for illegal immigrants
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2010, 03:18:54 AM »
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I seriously doubt that the citizens of Dallas who object to their hospitals' increased costs due to babies of illegal immigrants give a shit one way or the other about the increased costs to the U.S. Treasury of the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.  Their concern for "costs" is wholly bogus.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2010, 10:41:28 AM »
I can't help but be reminded of the End-of-War Vietnam Babylift, in which hundreds of Vietnamese and half-breed babies were given A-1 priority, so as to be saved from evil Communists, because Americans were so commpassionate and caring. But these Mexican babies are simply victims of capitalism, so they don't matter, even though they ould grow up to pay taxs and support CU4 and Kramer by paying their Social Security.

Republican ratbag paranoia, that is what this really is. And it seems to have infected the pudgy head of Mitch McConnell as well, which means i i being broadcast by Rush, who provides opinions for the ratbag right.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2010, 10:58:50 AM »
<<And you know this how?>>

It's real simple.  Unlike conservative ideologues, I live in the real world.  That means I know people, I have common sense, I can put 2 and 2 together.  I'm able to judge character (although I gotta admit, you threw me for a loop when you told me you marched in MLK's funeral procession.  That was of course a long, long time ago, and you've obviously lost your way long since.)   I know when an all-white group of "irate citizens," ostensibly "concerned" about the "waste" of Federal money but seemingly unconcerned about the cost of two needless and pointless wars of choice, festooned here and there with racist and fascist signs and slogans which a mighty effort is made to suppress once the MSM begins to pick up on them, that things are not as the Tea Party activists would like us to believe.

I am saying, based purely on gut feelings in the light of the above observations, that it's the very rare Tea Party member who is also a member of any anti-war organization.  What does your gut feeling say?  Agree or disagree?

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 11:02:07 AM »
It makes perfect sense that Tea Party members are opposed to IslamoNazis and a mass flood
of poor, uneducated, non-english speaking illegal immigrants because both threaten our way of life.
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