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Michael Tee

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2010, 11:13:09 AM »
That's ludicrous.  They're concerned about the hospital costs of birth, but not about the costs of two massive wars?  At least be honest enough to admit that their concern, whatever else it may be based on, is not about "costs."  They're bleeding money all over from the two wars and the "Islamo-fascist" threat remains at about the same level or higher nine years later.  Nazi Germany AND Japan were totally defeated in far less time.  It's a fucking joke.  If the "Islamo-fascists" really were such a dire threat as you pretend, the government and particularly the Bush administration, would long ago have instituted a draft, raised an army of millions and sent them overseas to crush this threat once and for all.  They would have put the economy on a war footing, as was done in WWII when a real menace existed, not some phony boogeyman constructed by neocon ZioNazi journalists and the arms industry to sucker Americans into doing Israel's defence work and spend themselves into bankruptcy to the enrichment of the arms industry.  And FOR SURE, taxes across the board would increase, especially on the rich, to make sure that the funds were there to pay for the war.

This whole story of "Islamo-fascists" and the "threat" they supposedly pose to the Republic is so transparently phony that it is laughable.  Just compare the efforts made when the country had to deal with a REAL threat, compare it to the half-assed shit you see today and you should be able to figure out the truth, regardless of the daily flood of drivel that the MSM puts out in support of this BS.

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2010, 12:10:59 PM »
This movement to deprive those born here of their citizenship is NOT "the stuff revolutions are made of" Revolutions are not about depriving anyone of a right, nor are they about so trivial a matter.

CU4's hallowed "way of life" probably involves eating foods picked by illegals and benefiting by the cheap labor of illegals in many other ways as well. But he doesn't know about it, so he thinks it is not a part of his "way of life".

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2010, 12:57:46 PM »
Michael...again the American People, not just the Tea Party are very concerned
about a flood of poor, uneducated, non-english speaking illegal immigrants. The
American people support the Arizona Law. Most Americans support the Arizona law.
Are the American people who just elected an African American President racist?
If so compared to what? LOL. In how many countries around the world could a minority
as tiny as African Americans (12%) in the United States get elected to the highest office
in the country? The US is less racist than most countries in the world. In most
countries around the world minorities do not have near the opportunities that
minorities have in the United States in 2010. Of course it is logical to support
action to reduce the huge cost illegal immigration is costing the US Taxpayer
while at the same time spend money on military operations fighting enemies
of the United States and the Western World.
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

Michael Tee

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2010, 01:47:27 PM »
You're right about the attitude of the American people, CU4, but it's far from unanimous.

A Chicago-area poll, recent

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-poll-immigration-20100809,0,3355133.story

The telephone poll of 800 heads of households across the six-county Chicago region July 8-14 found that 57 percent of the respondents did not want police to seek illegal immigrants for deportation.

Almost half of those polled, 48 percent, said they believed that illegal immigrants snatched jobs and resources, taking away from society and the economy.

Nearly all of those who responded, 87 percent, believed that some sort of legal status should be offered to the nearly 11 million people in the country illegally, provided that the immigrants aren't dangerous felons, that they learn English and that they pay fines and back taxes.


May 26, 2010 poll by NBC, MSNBC and Telemundo


In the poll, 61 percent say they favor Arizona’s new anti-illegal immigration law, which would require local and state law enforcement officers to question people about their immigration status if they have reason to suspect a person is in the country illegally. The law would also make it a crime to lack the proper registration documents.

April 28, 2010 Angus Reid poll
http://www.visioncritical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2010.04.28_Immigration_USA.pdf


 Seven-in-ten respondents support both requiring state and local police to determine the status of a person if there is “reasonable suspicion” that they are illegal immigrants (71%) and arresting people who are unable to provide documentation to prove they are in the U.S. legally (also 71%).

I don't say all the support is pure racist, but racism certainly contributes.  The election of Barack Obama proves there has been some change in the country's racial attitudes but it is obviously nowhere close to proving that the U.S. is a non-racist country.  Racism wasn't built overnight and it won't disappear overnight.  It is deeply ingrained in America;

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2010, 01:59:08 PM »
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I am saying, based purely on gut feelings in the light of the above observations, that it's the very rare Tea Party member who is also a member of any anti-war organization.  What does your gut feeling say?  Agree or disagree?

I'd check your gut if i were you. Many Tea Party members have libertarian roots, and as libertarians are not in the slightest interested in foreign adventures.

And i would have another look at the supposed lily white make up of the Tea Party. That claim was debunked almost a year ago.

Your claims of racism might be gaining traction as stories of infiltration by democrat operatives seems to be increasing daily.

But i am not even sure this is a Tea Party issue to begin with. I think you just saw this as an opportunity to sling another slur.

But these facts might interest you. 50% (240k and i presume this pool contains minorities) of the babies born in Dallas County are paid for with Medicaid. Of that 50%- 25% (60k) of those are born to illegal immigrants. It stands to reason that if you can lower demand by 25% significant savings would be realized.




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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2010, 02:17:10 PM »
<<I'd check your gut if i were you. Many Tea Party members have libertarian roots, and as libertarians are not in the slightest interested in foreign adventures.>>

Then you'd expect to see anti-war signs at the rallies, wouldn't you?  At least as many anti-war signs as there were racist signs, right?

<<And i would have another look at the supposed lily white make up of the Tea Party. That claim was debunked almost a year ago.>>

Bullshit.  I know what I saw on TV, the people AND the signs.  And then I know how they later tried to clean up their image, clustering the tiny  minority of blacks in front of the cameras, stacking the platform with them and removing racist signs.  Too late, guys - - the cat was already out of the bag.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2010, 02:39:20 PM »
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Then you'd expect to see anti-war signs at the rallies, wouldn't you?  At least as many anti-war signs as there were racist signs, right?

Not necessarily. I wouldn't  expect to see tennis rackets at a baseball game either. Go figure. And what racist signs?

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Bullshit.  I know what I saw on TV, the people AND the signs.  And then I know how they later tried to clean up their image, clustering the tiny  minority of blacks in front of the cameras, stacking the platform with them and removing racist signs.  Too late, guys - - the cat was already out of the bag.

You don't know shit.

I linked to the Gallup poll. 6% black 15% other.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx#1


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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2010, 10:21:44 PM »
<<Not necessarily. I wouldn't  expect to see tennis rackets at a baseball game either. Go figure.>>

No but you'd expect to see racist signs at a non-racist rally?  Yeah right.

<< And what racist signs?>>

Racist signs.  Obama in whiteface.  Obama the Chimp.  You know.  Racist signs

<<You don't know shit.>>

Yeah?  Ya mudda wears army boots!

<<I linked to the Gallup poll. 6% black 15% other.>>

6%, FYI, is about 50% of the proportion in which blacks are represented in the general population.  Furthermore, the Gallup poll did not sample people who appear at TP demos, which is what I see on TV - - it sampled people who "consider themselves TP supporters," which could include a lot of stay-at-home sympathizers but none of the hard-core demonstrators.  Better read your own sources more carefully in the future, or people will start to think you don't know shit.



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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2010, 10:27:24 PM »
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Furthermore, the Gallup poll did not sample people who appear at TP demos

And you know this how?


Depicting a politican as a chimp is racist? Bush should sue.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2010, 01:59:11 AM »
<<And you know this how?>>

It's in the article you linked to, the poll.  The qualifying question was, "Do you consider yourself to be a supporter/opponent of the TP?"  The rest of the data about the TP was taken from the sector that "considered itself a TP supporter."


<<Depicting a politican as a chimp is racist? Bush should sue. >>

Bush was depicted as a chimp because of the smirk on his face, which gave him a vaguely simian look.  There was no racist connotation.  He was never depicted in whiteface or blackface.  Depicting Obama, who has no physical resemblance to a chimp, as a chimp is racist, as is portraying him in whiteface.

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2010, 02:12:30 AM »
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Depicting Obama, who has no physical resemblance to a chimp, as a chimp is racist, as is portraying him in whiteface.

Why?

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2010, 02:24:06 AM »
Look, I am convinced that portrayals of Obama in whiteface and as a chimp are racist.  You don't seem to agree.  Blacks were frequently referred to as apes and monkeys by racists.  The chimp portrayal of Obama is a clear continuation of that meme, the black man as a subhuman.  If you don't see it, or pretend not to see it, it's a waste of time to argue about it.  I won't convince you, you won't convince me.

I Googled "racist Tea Party signs."  There are plenty of them, in addition to the whiteface Obama and the chimp Obama.  I'm convinced by their signs that these guys are racist.  OTOH, I did see one video clip where the photographer was putting words in this guy's mouth, trying to make him say racist stuff, and the guy was getting quite justifiably irritated because he kept saying he WASN'T a racist.  So they aren't ALL racists.

However the signs are pretty vile.  I don't believe they were made up, but I do believe that there is a concerted effort now underway to suppress all racist signs at TP rallies.  They hope to capture votes and support from the moderate centre, which they can't do if the racist nature of many of the people in the movement is recognized by the general public.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2010, 02:33:22 AM »
You can read about the genesis of the white face poster here:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-obama-posters,0,940643.story

And the chimp cartoon here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/ny-post-cartoon-controver_n_167928.html

Neither originated with your tea party target.



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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2010, 02:42:36 AM »
Who cares where they originated, there were plenty of them at the rallies.  If the TP rallies had swastika banners, would you deliver a little lecture on the origin of the swastika?  WTF is the difference where an image originated, what it stands for is clear to everyone who saw it, and when it's brought to a rally, it's brought for what it says, not because of where it originated.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2010, 02:46:54 AM »
And what it said was how much of a twisted "joker" our newest CnC was.  And newsflash, it had prescious little to do with his race or skin color
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle