The stuff revolutions are made of.......

[BT]

I want to know why an image of Obama made up in Heath Ledger makeup from the Batman movie is racist?

And adding the political statement that Obama will lead us to socialism is racist and not worthy of free speech protection.

[Michael Tee]

<<I want to know why an image of Obama made up in Heath Ledger makeup from the Batman movie is racist?>>

Well, I can only tell you why I think it's racist.  It means that under the superficial, painted-on "whiteness" (university education, law degree, apparent reasonableness and moderation,all-American, absence of obvious Louis-Armstrong-type "Negroid" features) what you really have is the primitive savage (African-born, Muslim, witch doctor, voodoo practitioner, etc.)  It is an appeal to the crudest and most vile racial stereotypes, and the unmistakable message is, "Look beneath the surface charm!  He's still a n****r."

Now that's why I think the poster is racist.  You don't see it that way, or pretend not to.  That's OK.  Enough reasonable, intelligent people see the sign, get the message and understand all too well where those racist Nazi bastards are coming from.  Everybody doesn't have to get it.  Enough of us realize those guys aren't movie fans and they didn't come together to discuss Batman.  But if that's what you want to believe, knock yourself out.  Go for it.

<<And adding the political statement that Obama will lead us to socialism is racist and not worthy of free speech protection. >>

Quit setting up straw-men.  Nobody claims that such statements are racist or unworthy of 1st Amendment protection.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I agree with Tee that Obama or any Black man in whiteface is racist. It says "look, he only LOOKS White, but we know better: really he is a Negro and an Evil Joker to boot, out to steal our stuff, just like the Joker. Socialists smile as they steal your stuff.

White men in Blackface are a racist institution in the US. The Blackface minstrel makes fun of the Black man to the amusement of the White audience.

The goal of the Blackface minstrel is to make fun of the Black man at the Balck man's offense. Ask any Black person what he thinks of minstrel shows.

The goal of the Whiteface minstrel is to make fun of White man who voted for the phony White Man, and to reinforce the idea that no Black man is fit to do what has been a White Man's job. Mr Bones and Mr Interlocutor are not fit to be president.

[BT]

The Original charge was that the Tea Party Folks created signs depicting Obama in whiteface.

As posted earlier we know that isn't true.

What we had was a kid from the University of Illinois-Chicago (Firas Alkhateeb) playing around with photoshop. He claims he was not making a political statement with his version, and surprisingly he was not asked to defend himself against charges of racism.

Perhaps we see racism where it is convenient to see racism.

[sirs]

BINGO. 

Notice the common theme of "who" that seems to always bring race into the equation.  Notice how it's "obvious to them" & what they "think" vs the majority who do not 

Be it to attempt to silence dissent of opposition with the racist deflection effort, getting folks to defend non-existant racist charges, or in some transparent attempt to shield one from criticism, by inferring such rhetoric as merely racist in origin vs the substance by which it is actually derived

[Michael Tee]

<<The Original charge was that the Tea Party Folks created signs depicting Obama in whiteface.

<<As posted earlier we know that isn't true. >>

Who is the "we" who "knows that isn't true?"  I saw the fucking signs, not only in TP rallies, but in this NG, posted by a TP supporter.  Look how fast they run from their own signs now, it's hilarious. 

And what about the OTHER signs, the "white slavery" ones, the chimp, the "Lyin' African" sign, etc.  You're just focusing this on one obvious racist sign which had popped up all over, and ignoring all the others.  What a crock.  Go on, Google "racist Tea Party signs," it isn't all that hard to do.  There were plenty of them out there - - spin them away like you try to spin away the whiteface signs.  Doesn't work, didn't work and will never work.  Spin till you're dizzy, the truth remains the truth and those racist peckerwoods will always be racist peckerwoods.  You can't fool everyone.  Nice try, though.

[sirs]

<<The Original charge was that the Tea Party Folks created signs depicting Obama in whiteface.
<<As posted earlier we know that isn't true. >>

Doesn't work, didn't work and will never work.  Spin till you're dizzy, the truth remains the truth and those racist peckerwoods will always be racist peckerwoods.  You can't fool everyone.

"You don't see what you don't want to see, no matter how many times it's pointed out to you over and over again in this very thread."  Nice try, though"

[BT]

 Creator of Obama 'Joker' Poster Revealed

KTLA News


Firas Alkhateeb (KTLA-TV)

4:33 AM PDT, August 18, 2009
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LOS ANGELES -- We now know who created the controversial poster showing President Barack Obama as Heath Ledger's "Joker" character from "The Dark Knight."

Turns out, it was a 20-year-old college student from Chicago who was apparently bored during his winter break.

Firas Alkhateeb, a senior history major at the University of Illinois, crafted the picture of Obama using Adobe's Photoshop software, The Los Angeles Times reported.

Alkhateeb says he used an online tutorial to "jokerize" the October 23 Time Magazine cover of Obama. He then uploaded the image to the photo-sharing site "Flickr," where an anonymous person stumbled upon it, digitally removed the "Time" reference and instead gave it the headline "Socialism."

That poster began popping up on the streets of Los Angeles and other cities about a month ago, creating a stir.

The image went viral online, crashing the website that first posted images of it and rising to the top of Google's "Today's Hot Trends" list.

Los Angeles Urban Policy Roundtable President Earl Ofari Hutchinson condemned the poster and called for its creator to take responsibility for the image.

"Depicting the president as demonic and a socialist goes beyond political spoofery," says Hutchinson, "it is mean-spirited and dangerous."

"We have issued a public challenge to the person or group that put up the poster to come forth and publicly tell why they have used this offensive depiction to ridicule President Obama."

Alkhateeb insists he was not making a political statement with his version of the poster.

[Michael Tee]

Creator of swastika symbol revealed.

It was Indo-Aryans of thousands of years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

So much for the ridiculous idea that the swastika symbolizes Naziism.

[sirs]

It was the symbol for Oktoberfest?

[Michael Tee]

<<The Original charge was that the Tea Party Folks created signs depicting Obama in whiteface.>>

That is bullshit too, like the rest of your post.  Whoever created the whiteface sign is completely irrelevant.  It's like the swastika - - the fact that it was originally created in India a few thousand years ago is completely irrelevant today because now the symbol, regardless of who created it, means the Nazi Party to every North American who sees one.  (It is true that many people in India will see the symbol primarily as an ancient Hindu symbol.)

<<What we had was a kid from the University of Illinois-Chicago (Firas Alkhateeb) playing around with photoshop. He claims he was not making a political statement with his version, and surprisingly he was not asked to defend himself against charges of racism.>>

What a bunch of irrelevant bullshit.  What does it matter why the kid created the image?  What does it matter why the ancient Indians created the swastika?  Regardless of who created the image, or why, IN CONTEXT (something that conservatives are habitually incapable of recognizing) the swastika means Nazis and the whiteface sign means "Don't be fooled by Obama's surface education and urbanity, he's really a black man like all the other black men, i.e., primitive, untrustworthy, dangerous and out to get you."  Of course, you can always pretend that those who brought these signs to Tea Party rallies were just fans of the artist Firas Alkhateeb who found themselves by sheer coincidence in the heart of a Tea Party rally, or movie fans lured to a rally in the mistaken belief that it was a Batman fan club meeting.  Most reasonable people can read the meaning in the whiteface signs loud and clear, whether the originator intended them to be there or not, just as we all know what a swastika means, whatever the original Indian creator of the symbol meant it to symbolize at the time.

<<Perhaps we see racism where it is convenient to see racism. >>

Or perhaps we try frantically and unconvincingly to cover up any trace of racism with absolutely ridiculous bullshit, as if we were writing for a bunch of fucking idiots who will believe any crap excuse that racists and fascists can devise on the spur of the moment.

[BT]

<< And what racist signs?>>

Racist signs.  Obama in whiteface.  Obama the Chimp.  You know.  Racist signs

Neither one of which are racially charged except in your fevered mind.

Since when is calling someone a socialist a racist slur?

Again only in your fevered mind.

Hell, if that is what he believes in he should embrace the charge. Half the people on the left wish he would.

[Michael Tee]

<<Neither one of which are racially charged except in your fevered mind.>>

Bullshit.  Everyone knows what Obama in whiteface means.  Everyone knows what Obama as a chimp means.  You want to pretend otherwise, go right ahead.  You're not only making a fool of yourself, but destroying any credibility you have left.

<<Since when is calling someone a socialist a racist slur?>>

It isn't and I never said it was.

<<Again only in your fevered mind.>>

Then you should be able to find an example where I said so.  Don't waste your time, there is no such example.

<<Hell, if that is what he believes in he should embrace the charge. Half the people on the left wish he would. >>

Hell, if you wanna debate with yourself over this, go right ahead.  Let me know when you want to rejoin the debate with a real opponent instead of an imaginary one.

[BT]

Try to keep it honest Mikey.

The Obama as the Joker sign had the word socialism under it at the Tea Parties. Nothing racist about it.

And who is this everyone you refer to? Are they related to obvious in anyway?

If the Tea Party folks were racist they would have just called him a fucking nigger and been done with it.

They didn't because they aren't. Same way they didn't call John Lewis a nigger. Even with a 100k reward no one has come up with a tape, video or soundbite.

And the chimp thing was a cartoon in the NY Post. Show me where any Tea party group depicted Obama as a chimp, and then show me that the sign holder wasn't a dem plant.

[sirs]

Try to keep it honest Mikey.  The Obama as the Joker sign had the word socialism under it at the Tea Parties. Nothing racist about it.

And who is this everyone you refer to? Are they related to obvious in anyway?

LOL