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Re: Just not there
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 05:35:41 PM »
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I associated the connection of the mutual religion, they both share, Bt.

And abortion clinic bombers usually share the same religion as other Christians. So what?

Are you saying all Christians are now abortion clinic bombers or is it somehow different?

 ::)   Oy.  we're starting to get into Prince-level twisting.  Please show me where I ever denounced Islam.  Please show me were I ever denounced "all Muslims".  You show me that, then we can address your question more accurately

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2010, 07:21:54 PM »
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I associated the connection of the mutual religion, they both share, Bt.  Please keep it honest

So you associate a Muslim Terrorist with a Muslim Iman.
How is that different than associating a Christian terrorist with Christians?

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2010, 07:58:18 PM »
One last time....I associate the religion both are using.  Neither however, make one equivalent to the other      ::)      Is this thing (mic) on?
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Re: Just not there
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2010, 08:43:25 PM »
So are you stating there is some inherent evil in Islam that Christianities history avoids?

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2010, 08:51:05 PM »
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Re: Just not there
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2010, 09:11:50 PM »
You know I hate agreeing with a flaming socialist liberal.

But President Obama has it right.


The organisation that bought the building that was the Burlington Coat factory , that caught Mohammad Attas landing gear on its roof , has a right protected by our constitution to construct a leagal building there and determine its leagal purpose.

But whether it is wise?


Too obvious to need stating.

It is a dumb move and a thumb in the eye of the whole city, an offense to the nation, ridiculous before the whole world.

To make Islam seem stupid , this idea should be supported mostly by Islams bitterest enemies.

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2010, 09:15:10 PM »
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And you accuse T and XO of question avoidance.


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Re: Just not there
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2010, 09:37:18 PM »
So are you stating there is some inherent evil in Islam that Christianities history avoids?



Well yes, why elese prefer one or the other?

Jesus didn't command war .

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2010, 09:41:36 PM »
His followers sure did.

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2010, 09:51:24 PM »
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And you accuse T and XO of question avoidance.

When Xo & T are criticized, its because they failed to answer a direct question from the start.  Not sure what my repeating of the same answer provides in the way of debate.  Folks who mutate the message of either the Koran or the Bible, are the ones that are responsible for their acts, and them alone.  The fact remains that the folks who took down the WTC towers, acted in the name of Islam.  Putting up an Islamic Mosque, in full view of the WTC site, makes the circle complete.

And apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks this.  A vast majority of folks have a similar disagreement, including a majority of Democrats.  

This isn't a legal or Constitutional issue.  Nor is it some Religious intolerance issue.  No one is saying that Muslims don't have a right to practice their religion, here in America, or build a mosque on private property.  The issue is the location.  The issue is the overt insensitivity and slap in the face of the families of the 911 victims.

And a subsequent issue, upon the building's completion will be the firestorm of condemnation if any such further terrorist acts are performed by anyone that attended of was connected to the Mosque, or the effort very likely to be made by radicals here in the U.S. that'd take direct aim at the Mosque, and its worshippers.  No wonder Reid has come out to denounce the idea

And on a related note, the President had a great opportunity to demonstrate Presidential leadership at the Ramadan dinner last week.  He could have rhetorically referenced the greatness of the Constitution, of the Country, and the right we all have to the freedom of religion, including that of Muslime being able to practice their religion and build mosques all across this great country.  He could have then added, that as President of the U.S. the wisdom of placing an Islamic Mosque, so close to ground zero, is perhaps inappropriate.  Not illegal, not unconstitutional, simply inappropriate.

Instead he placated the Muslim audience with his support of the idea, then tried to backpedal and say something along the lines that its a legal issue, and he wasn't going to opine on the wisdom of such a location.  Exactly the opposite of what he should have done.  It's never been about the legality of the Mosque, it's always been about the wisdom of the location, and the overt insensitivity to thousands of families who lost loved ones

And probably why his poll #'s will soon be dropping into the 30's
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Re: Just not there
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2010, 10:00:09 PM »
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Folks who mutate the message of either the Koran or the Bible, are the ones that are responsible for their acts, and them alone.  The fact remains that the folks who took down the WTC towers, acted in the name of Islam.  Putting up an Islamic Mosque, in full view of the WTC site, makes the circle complete.

Did Bin Laden mutate the message of the Koran?

Do abortion clinic bombers mutate the message of the Bible?

Are they both claiming to act in the names of their respective religions?



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Re: Just not there
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2010, 10:31:16 PM »
His followers sure did.


True , from time to time war , conquest and atrocity have been done in Jesus name.

Or Mohammed the prophets name.

But I have the distinct impression that Jesus himself would not approve of it.

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Re: Just not there
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 12:27:54 AM »
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This isn't a legal or Constitutional issue.  Nor is it some Religious intolerance issue.  No one is saying that Muslims don't have a right to practice their religion, here in America, or build a mosque on private property.  The issue is the location.

Actually it is a legal issue. This is a nation of laws. And as such we strive to treat people equally regardless of race creed or nation of origin. Apparently that only applies to some of our citizens.

or is valid in only certain locations.

The right thing to do is to accept the property owners rights to do what they wish with their property within existing law.

Because that is who we are and what we do.


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Re: Just not there
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2010, 02:53:29 AM »
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Folks who mutate the message of either the Koran or the Bible, are the ones that are responsible for their acts, and them alone.  The fact remains that the folks who took down the WTC towers, acted in the name of Islam.  Putting up an Islamic Mosque, in full view of the WTC site, makes the circle complete.

Did Bin Laden mutate the message of the Koran?

It sure would seem so


Do abortion clinic bombers mutate the message of the Bible?

It sure would seem so


Are they both claiming to act in the names of their respective religions?

Those who claim so, yep.  Not sure where you're going with this Bt.  You're helping to reinforce my point about the symbolism a mosque at ground zero brings with it



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Re: Just not there
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2010, 02:57:27 AM »
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This isn't a legal or Constitutional issue.  Nor is it some Religious intolerance issue.  No one is saying that Muslims don't have a right to practice their religion, here in America, or build a mosque on private property.  The issue is the location.

Actually it is a legal issue.

Actually its not.  If it were, I and most folks would be claiming some legal reason a mosque couldn't be built there.  Care to demonstrate comments to the contrary?


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