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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2010, 01:41:57 AM »
Shame the center isn't being built at ground zero. Krauthammer might have a point then. It is being built two city blocks away.

BTW is the Murrah Building sacred ground?

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2010, 02:32:50 AM »
So are fallen Catholic agnostic ex-military personnel forbidden to build near the site?

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2010, 02:55:35 AM »
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Its merely the location that is at issue, and the lack of wisdom associated with it

And the location is a problem because.... they are Muslims?

Nope....the Mosque is.  At least that's what it suppose to symbolize....that of the Muslim religion of Islam
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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2010, 03:37:39 AM »
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Its merely the location that is at issue, and the lack of wisdom associated with it

And the location is a problem because.... they are Muslims?

Nope....the Mosque is.  At least that's what it suppose to symbolize....that of the Muslim religion of Islam

The location is not the issue, the issue is that it is a Mosque/Cultural Center and  the practice of a faith will take place there, but not any faith, the Muslim faith ( not that there is anything wrong with the religion but do they have to practice it so close to you know, "hallowed ground")? 

Is that it?

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2010, 03:43:33 AM »
So are fallen Catholic agnostic ex-military personnel forbidden to build near the site?

Build what?  Last I checked McVeigh was a lone wolf, not representing or claiming to represent anyone besides himself and his own personal demons.  The comparison effort's not going to hold water
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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2010, 03:47:28 AM »
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Its merely the location that is at issue, and the lack of wisdom associated with it
And the location is a problem because.... they are Muslims?

Nope....the Mosque is.  At least that's what it suppose to symbolize....that of the Muslim religion of Islam

The location is not the issue, ....

Ahem, the location is precisely the issue, and always has been.  But your additional addons do reinforce the inappropriateness of the location

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2010, 03:51:07 AM »
Should burkas be banned from a 5 block radius of Ground Zero. because you know, if they aren't, then Bin Laden wins.

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2010, 04:30:07 AM »
He does?  wow, didn't realize you were aware of a mass of Muslim women about to have some huge organized sit down in lower Manhattan, with no intentions of being moved.  Do tell
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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2010, 06:03:28 AM »
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Its merely the location that is at issue, and the lack of wisdom associated with it

And the location is a problem because.... they are Muslims?

Nope....the Mosque is.  At least that's what it suppose to symbolize....that of the Muslim religion of Islam

The location is not the issue, the issue is that it is a Mosque/Cultural Center and  the practice of a faith will take place there, but not any faith, the Muslim faith ( not that there is anything wrong with the religion but do they have to practice it so close to you know, "hallowed ground")? 

Is that it?


The location is, the issue.

Have there not been several Mosques built in other locations with little fuss?

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2010, 08:36:34 AM »
<<The location is, the issue.>>

Obviously, the Muslim religion is the issue, since no church, synagogue, or similar "Judeo-Christian" (whatever the hell that is) shrine built at the location would excite anywhere near the controversy that the mosque does.

Unless somebody can show a link between the entire religion of Islam and the individual "terrorists" and their particular interpretation of Islam, proving that the religion itself across all of its believers endorses or requires actions like 9-11, then there is no logical explanation of the opposition to the Ground Zero mosque other than religious bigotry

<<Have there not been several Mosques built in other locations with little fuss?>>

Irrelevant and not even factually accurate.  Proposed mosques and Islamic centres get a lot of resistance across the U.S.A. today, all over the country.  More to the point, let's talk about this particular location - - can anyone seriously believe that a church, cathedral or synagogue at this particular location would experience anywhere near the animosity that the proposed mosque is getting?

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2010, 10:49:27 AM »
BTW is the Murrah Building sacred ground?

McVeigh was Christian and there are two Christian churches across the street (one on each side) from the memorial where the Murrah Building once stood.
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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2010, 11:09:00 AM »
Again, this is not an important issue. It will really make no difference whether there is a mosque or Starbucks No. 4567 three blocks away from the still unbuilt Ground Zero Official Hallowed Site. This is just a stupid hotbutton issue that will be as meaningless as the anti flag burning amendment or Reagan's wanting to do away with the Dept. of Education. It is hard to determine who the bigger fools are: the fools want to ban a mosque and those who think it is going to make everyone look more favorably on their backward religion.
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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2010, 11:10:25 AM »
<<The location is, the issue.>>

Obviously, the Muslim religion is the issue, since no church, synagogue, or similar "Judeo-Christian" (whatever the hell that is) shrine built at the location would excite anywhere near the controversy that the mosque does.

Obviously, you're mistaken, since if this Mosque were built anywhere else, this wouldn't be an issue

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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2010, 11:34:30 AM »
Americans as a group do not like Islam, because Islam is in many ways the antithesis of our culture. We like our women to be pretty and interacting with men in our society, they like to uglify theirs and keep them at home. We do not like the idea of a single religion, and are especially unfond of a religion that believes it has the right to wake up every bloody soul at dawn every day, and pray in unison fiver freaking times a day at a time set by the local mosque. We have tried to put religion in charge of our society.and it resulted in a thousand years of extreme ignorance and backwardness, and Islam is certainly no different from medieval Catholicism in that respect. The main difference is that the Holy Mother Church had one Pope and Islam has a variety of conflicting imams and ayatollahs.

I find it pretty weird that somehow the most valuable parcel of real estate in the country should be, in the opinion of some Capitalist Americans, declared "holy", "sanctified" and "sanctified" and  therefore  off limits to religious use, though. The people who died on 9-11 did npt die as martyrs, valiantly defending their noble cause. They were unsuspecting and unlucky victims, period. 9-11 was not Gettysburg, or Valley Forge or even Pearl Harbor, so let's get real.

Let them build their damned mosque and then we can all ignore it, just as we ignore the fundie handing out Jack Chick Comics or the Jehovah's Witlesses peddling their religion like the  freaking Avon Lady.

I am pretty sure that we can enforce laws against annoying calls to prayer five times a day.
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Re: A Picture is Worth 1,000 Words
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2010, 11:50:56 AM »
I agree....let them build their "damn mosque"....about 6-8 more blocks away.  Problem solved
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle