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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 10:07:57 PM »
So the proper response in hindsight would have been to relieve Hasan of his commission and lien his future earnings to pay back the cost of his medical schooling.

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This is an administration that allowed a known jihadist to roam freely through a major army base in Texas. Nidal Hasan openly defied higher authority. He even gave PowerPoint presentations on why our enemies were right to use violence against us!

Methinks the administration that dropped the ball was Bush's. The Obama Administration was simply responsible for deploying Hasan's Unit which apparently was the breaking point for Hasan.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2010, 11:15:03 PM »
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He even gave PowerPoint presentations on why our enemies were right to use violence against us!

Do you not agree that if our enemies strike us, we have the right to retaliate?  Why would it be different for other peoples?

Someone seems to be forgetting who did the murdering here
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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 11:31:44 PM »
Hasan was an American of Palestinian descent. Do you think he might have some legitimate grievances? Would they be equal to those grievances of the Jews? Do you understand his conflicting emotions?

Do you recognize that understanding does not equal condoning?

Your author squarely put Hasan on Obama's shoulders.

I called bullshit.

One of the things that set off Hasan were the confessions of US soldiers seeing him for therapy. He actually asked that some of his patients be brought up on charges. Do you think it impossible that US Soldiers might have killed innocents in the fog of war?


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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2010, 11:45:21 PM »
So the proper response in hindsight would have been to relieve Hasan of his commission and lien his future earnings to pay back the cost of his medical schooling.

[...........

Methinks the administration that dropped the ball was Bush's. .


I could go along with this , but the Presidents responsibility is less direct than the Officers who were writing fitness reports . Were the signs so odvious and blatant that it would have been easy to make a case for dismissal? 

And...

If so ...

    Was his being a Muslim a sheild against his case being prosicuted?

Then I might say that the president bears some responsibility for promoteing an affermative action plan for Muslims that encouraged papering over problems.


But....

  I like that President Bush recognised the potential for backlash , riot or even lynching in the Nation and worked against it. Could President Bush have worked for civil harmony without makeing this error?

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 11:51:54 PM »
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I could go along with this , but the Presidents responsibility is less direct than the Officers who were writing fitness reports . Were the signs so odvious and blatant that it would have been easy to make a case for dismissal? 

Precisely. Blame doesn't belong with the inhabitant of the WH it lays with the entrenched bureaucracies.

This isn't the first time this has happened in the military.

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By the time Military Police arrived on the scene, Kreutzer was insisting that he had given plenty of warnings that he was going to snap one day and start killing, but that they had ignored him, and said that it was "God's way".

I guess that is equivalent to Allah Akbar

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2010, 01:14:20 AM »
Hasan was an American of Palestinian descent. Do you think he might have some legitimate grievances? Would they be equal to those grievances of the Jews? Do you understand his conflicting emotions?  Do you recognize that understanding does not equal condoning?

Do you recognize justification of evil is justification of evil.  Again, his statements were not made in this vacuum you seem to pull out so frequently.  Added to the totality of everything else Hasan, provides a stark potential that could and should have easily been avoided


Your author squarely put Hasan on Obama's shoulders.


It merely happened on his watch, manifested by the totality of everything else Obama, which the author conveniently added.  Sorry, you're going to have to leave your vacuum at home.  It has no place in a saloon. 


One of the things that set off Hasan were.....

So, at least we have the concession of the ticking time bomb, referred to as Hasan.  That is at least a step in the right direction




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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2010, 02:02:45 AM »
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Do you recognize justification of evil is justification of evil.

Who is justifying evil?

What exactly did you expect Obama or Bush to do? As Plane rightly pointed out, where the decisions and precautions needed to take place were many layers down the chain. And the culture that ignored the signs were in place long before Obama decided to run.

Your author continues to harp on the Obama Administration for not charging Hasan with 14 deaths, yet it wasn't a week ago that you were arguing that the prosecutors could pick and choose what to charge someone with and the judge should just shut the hell up and accept it. Now apparently you have spun 180 degrees in your assessment of prosecutorial duties. .

Your author also seems to take issue with Hasans business cards. Apparently being a soldier of allah is far worse than being a Knight of Columbus or a Major in the Salvation Army. Must be because it is a Muslim thing.

What does being a soldier of allah mean to you? Does it bring on night shivers?

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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2010, 02:56:14 AM »
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Do you recognize justification of evil is justification of evil.

Who is justifying evil?

Hasan, and his power point presentation.  Explaining his version of "why" it doesn't change that


What exactly did you expect Obama or Bush to do?

His position of authority could have been recinded.  Possible (and in hind sight, needed) counseling could have been implimented.  Pooch, likely has far more intimate knowledge of specific military intervetions that may have been brought to bear, if the warning signs were dealt with vs merely observed.  Point being, there were signs, and this bomb finally went off.  It's entirely plausible it could have been prevented, given the acts Hasan was demonstrating.  However, our PC dominated battlefield found yet another pothole to hide common sense in


Your author continues to harp on the Obama Administration for not charging Hasan with 14 deaths, yet it wasn't a week ago that you were arguing that the prosecutors could pick and choose what to charge someone with and the judge should just shut the hell up and accept it. Now apparently you have spun 180 degrees in your assessment of prosecutorial duties.

What the frell??  


Your author also seems to take issue with Hasans business cards. Apparently being a soldier of allah is far worse than being a Knight of Columbus or a Major in the Salvation Army. Must be because it is a Muslim thing.

Ahhh....that's what its about.  Because we see Salvation army terrorists all the time, don't we.  You still can't get past the idiotic notion that it's completely plasuible that someone can find it completely offensive at the location of an Islamic mosque, near an American landmark, were thousands were murdered by Islamic terrorists, and yet not be an anti-Muslim bigot.  So, actually, its a Muslim terrorist thing


What does being a soldier of allah mean to you? Does it bring on night shivers?

Doesn't even warrant a response.  Sad even, considering the source.  I think we're done with this


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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2010, 03:02:29 AM »

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His position of authority could have been recinded.  Possible (and in hind sight, needed) counseling could have been implimented.  Pooch, likely has far more intimate knowledge of specific military intervetions that may have been brought to bear, if the warning signs were dealt with vs merely observed.  Point being, there were signs, and this bomb finally went off.  It's entirely plausible it could have been prevented, given the acts Hasan was demonstrating.  However, or PC dominated battlefield found yet another pothole to hide common sense in

And this was to be done by a Bush or Obama executive order?

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Hasan, and his power point presentation.  Explaining his version of "why" it doesn't change that

You've seen this presentation?



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I think we're done with this

You always seem to run away when i ask the hard questions.


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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2010, 03:32:37 AM »
Yea, because asking me if I have nightshivers at the meaning of a soldier of allah is such a "hard question".  You dragged it down to that level.  I mearly wiped my shoe clean of it
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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2010, 03:54:52 AM »
Do you believe the government can protect you from a terrorist attack?

How about a home invasion?


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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2010, 05:38:15 AM »
Do you believe the government can protect you from a terrorist attack?

How about a home invasion?




Excelent question!

Yes , anywhere that the government has forbidden that I be armed , the government must garuntee my safety at least as well as I would have.

I propose that it be made national law that in any place that any authority forbids US citizens to carry firearms , that this same authority becomes responsible to ensure that a responsible person who is carrying a firearm be present .

This even applys to private establisments where the government does not enforce my second admendment right , they must assume responsibility for my security in leu of my own security that they have allowed to be removed.

Once we have accomplished this , whacko gunmen will have much fewer zones of enforced helplessness in which to go hunting.

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2010, 10:49:58 AM »
Obama: 'Just' wrong, not evil
Posted: October 21, 2010

Is President Obama evil or "just" wrong? A Rasputin or a Chamberlain?

Here's a letter I recently received:

"Tuesday morning I happened upon your show. You were so good and I had never heard you before. But alas, you began to extol Obama's recognition that there are certain things he knows he should have done differently. It was a nice hour or so while it lasted.

"Obama deserves no credit for anything. The man is a liar, a manipulator, a narcissist, a psychopath, a control freak, a Marxist, has no depth of knowledge about anything, etc., etc. But there you were, giving him the benefit of the doubt. 'Aw, shucks, he's not so bad after all.' He spewed this garbage right before the election and yet you believed him?! Obama has to have a change of heart, not a change of mind."

Point of clarification: I said and wrote that he would be the most radical, left-wing president in the history of this country ? and that the guilt-ridden post-racialists who put him there would rue the day. Unfortunately, Obama has lived down to my expectations.

But calling the president a Hitler without the mustache is an unserious position and one that does nothing to dissuade Obama supporters, many of whom now suffer nearly terminal buyer's remorse. It's as obtuse as saying "Bush Lied, People Died," or that George W. Bush ran for president so he could fabricate the intel to unjustifiably take the country to war to avenge his father and enrich his military contractor friends. And Obama doesn't act alone. Every Democratic senator voted for the "stimulus" and for Obamacare. Obama's leftism is mainstream to his party. If Obama is evil, what does this make those who support his agenda?

It's more than enough to say that Obama is an inexperienced, naive, wrongheaded ideologue who, even now, doesn't recognize the harm he is doing to the country.

But with crucial elections looming, Obama has already retreated on his promise to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" and now says it's Congress' responsibility to change the law. Meanwhile, his Justice Department defends DADT in court.

He hasn't even raised the issue of another bank bailout or a government-forced cessation of foreclosures ? despite the banks' recent admissions of negligence in processing home foreclosures. The Obama of two years ago would have used this as a pretext to intrude, if not take over the banks. What happened to his outgoing chief of staff's admonition to "never allow a crisis to go to waste"?

Obama no longer uses the word "stimulus."

He has exempted a number of businesses and organizations from some Obamacare regulations.

He no longer talks about cap-and-trade or union card check.

When was the last time we heard about shutting down Gitmo?

When was the last time we heard about a New York trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

Outreach failed. Islamofascists are still determined to kill us. The Arab and Muslim world has an even lower opinion of America than during the Bush administration. Obama's foolish attack on Israel for building "settlements" in east Jerusalem has made the Palestinians even more intransigent about the "peace process."

To paraphrase Joe Biden, no more "big f---ing deals." It's now small ball. But left-wing small ball is still left-wing.

But come November, things will change.

The next two ? or, after he is dragged reluctantly to the center, even six ? years of the Obama presidency will be spent trying to keep Obamacare from unraveling, as opposed to the march toward a Canadian-style single-payer socialized health-care system that he truly wants.

The president is an arrogant man with a racial chip on his shoulder. He is a wealth redistributionist who thinks of America as an imperialist power that needs to apologize to the world for its past sins.

But Obama is not evil. He's simply wrong, which in many ways makes him harder to deal with ? and even more dangerous. Obama has already made America a weaker nation ? both domestically and as a foreign power. That he's not out to intentionally destroy America makes him a larger menace. Good intentions make it difficult to persuade people to fight against his policies, and to focus not on intentions but rather on consequences and results.

Here's what C.S. Lewis said about people like Obama:

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Over the next two years, Obama's inevitable retreat toward the middle will be a tactical one, not reflective of a change of heart. It doesn't matter. He will either check himself or be checked.

America, however, will bear the scars for decades.
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Re: The Chub n Chief
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2010, 12:07:47 PM »
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Yes , anywhere that the government has forbidden that I be armed , the government must garuntee my safety at least as well as I would have.

How would the availability of firearms protected you at the Murrah Building or at the WTC?

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2010, 12:14:10 PM »
How would the availability of firearms protected you at the Murrah Building or at the WTC?

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You might have been able to shoot one a them Ay-rabs right betwixt the eyes and he woulda crashed somewhar else!

You mighta shot McVeigh afore he had a chanct to park his van with the bomb in it.

Mighta, coulda, shoulda.
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