Liberal Left is mad as hell at Obama for supporting Bush tax cuts

[BT]

This lady I'm dating is really involved with politics and she's still trying to defend him because she's a middle of the roader but even SHE is now thinking that maybe he's just a dumbass.

I keep going back to one of the things he said and i paraphrase he is a perfectly blank slate upon which we project ourselves.

Perhaps we are the dumb asses too. Perhaps we should not expect the problems of this country to be expressed with bumperstickers nor solved with bumpersticker solutions. Cause that's just dumb.

[sirs]

Perhaps Brass, the issue with Obama is what's been referenced since the get go.....piss poor judgement and ridiculously inept leadership skills.  He "says" all the right things to appease his base, but when it comes down to it, he couldn't get enough DEMOCRATS to back his socialist agenda.  Apparently it takes more than simply being a Community organizer to lead the free world ............ (into serfdom)

[Brassmask]

So nearly EVERY industrialized nation in the world, including your precious Israel, has some form of universal health care. Are all those nations living in "serfdom".

[sirs]

The Serfdom is in reference to a socialist agenda/goal.  Cash for Croakers is merely a stepping stool in trying to get there

Not to mention that the U.S. is superior to pretty much every other country in the area of healthcare related research, medications, equipment, and quality in delivery.  No coincidence that it's largely because we DON'T have some form of UHC......until now

Your prescious England is economically imploding with its version of UHC, and Canadiens make every effort to get their healthcare here, when it comes to chronic pain and needed surgeries.  In fact, I have yet to see any stories of Americans flocking to Canada for their supposedly superior healthcare

[kimba1]

canada , no

cuba,china,india & costa rica yes

the key words is price and availability.

you state equipment, some of the mentioned countries has more advance tool than the U.S. due to patent issue here in the U.S.

[Brassmask]

I'm pretty sure that's all hogwash.

[kimba1]

in a few years it`ll be standard for insurance companies to send people oversea for care.
remember rush thought of living in one of them places

took a moment to remember the term

medical tourism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

[Brassmask]

Not to mention that the U.S. is superior to pretty much every other country in the area of healthcare related research, medications, equipment, and quality in delivery.  No coincidence that it's largely because we DON'T have some form of UHC......until now

Your prescious England is economically imploding with its version of UHC, and Canadiens make every effort to get their healthcare here, when it comes to chronic pain and needed surgeries.  In fact, I have yet to see any stories of Americans flocking to Canada for their supposedly superior healthcare

The US is only somewhat superior to other countries if you only look at the people who can AFFORD IT.  Even then the US is not number one.

All those people who "flock" to the US for it's healthcare come here predominantly for elective surgeries i.e. boob jobs and facelifts.


I saw something recently about the health care system in the UK and they were saying that no politician who ever wants to get re-elected will eve try to end socialized medicine there.

[kimba1]

boob jobs,facelifts?

I thought venezuela would be the place for that. in fact i hear alot of americans complain elective are too restricted here in the U.S..

it`s the reason I haven`t seen any large breasted women in america since the 90`s

[sirs]

Not to mention that the U.S. is superior to pretty much every other country in the area of healthcare related research, medications, equipment, and quality in delivery.  No coincidence that it's largely because we DON'T have some form of UHC......until now

Your prescious England is economically imploding with its version of UHC, and Canadiens make every effort to get their healthcare here, when it comes to chronic pain and needed surgeries.  In fact, I have yet to see any stories of Americans flocking to Canada for their supposedly superior healthcare

The US is only somewhat superior to other countries if you only look at the people who can AFFORD IT.  Even then the US is not number one.  All those people who "flock" to the US for it's healthcare come here predominantly for elective surgeries i.e. boob jobs and facelifts.  I saw something recently about the health care system in the UK and they were saying that no politician who ever wants to get re-elected will eve try to end socialized medicine there.

It's superior in quality, technology, medications, AND access.  The difference being is that healthcare (or more accurately the services of another) is not a right.  Once we dispell with that myth, we can focus on providing the maximum amount of our quality of healthcare, accessible to the maximum amount of people as possible

And the elective surgeries are predominantly pain management related, such as NEEDED joint replacements, that have folks waiting months, if not years in a UHC system

Politics aside, UHC is destroying the British economy, not to mention the quality of their healthcare

[bsb]

Well, I certainly am glad they're extending the Bush tax cuts. Look at how effective they've been in creating jobs.  Especially compared to the higher tax rated 90s when economic growth was so stagnant.

bsb

[sirs]

Yea, so how's that dot com working out for yas, B?  Oh, and last I checked, unemployment & job creation was quite the impressive manifestation of the tax cuts, especially following the events of 911.  Until, that is, congress began to spend like a drunken sailor again.  When was that again?  Oh yea, right about when the Dems took control of the House

[bsb]

I should add that with the slowing down of the war in Iraq I'm a little fearful that the tax cuts won't work as well. We should get another war going and think about lowering our taxes even more in conjunction with the new front.

more war
less taxes
more war
less taxes
more war
less taxes


bsb

[kimba1]

And the elective surgeries are predominantly pain management related, such as NEEDED joint replacements, that have folks waiting months, if not years in a UHC system

last I heard people are going to india for that. the cost difference is huge and they got more advance parts than the U.S.

[Brassmask]

Reganomics was a complete lie and has been demonstrably proven to only benefit the wealthy.  10 years of it and the top ten percent or so DOUBLED their income.  Everyone else saw barely a 3% increase.  The deficit ballooned out of control and homelessness skyrocketed.  You guys keep backing the millionaires in hopes you'll hit the lottery one day and you're just not.

Tax the shit out of the rich and watch life get better.  It always works.