Speaking of Politics as usual

[sirs]

Doesn't that depend on what the demand is for Janitors?

[BT]

Doesn't matter; an employee attached to a cost center can save the company money, thereby increasing profits. IT is usually a cost center in most businesses, but I save the companies I work for much more than my pay.

I'm sure you do. But it really depends on what your function is in the IT department.

[BT]

Doesn't that depend on what the demand is for Janitors?

What does demand for janitors have to do with it.

Your widget company hires a janitor to clean the building at night.
How does that add tangible dollars to the bottom line?

[sirs]

Doesn't that depend on what the demand is for Janitors?

What does demand for janitors have to do with it.

Sorry...I thought you were referring to a company that sends hires out Janitors

Your widget company hires a janitor to clean the building at night.
How does that add tangible dollars to the bottom line?

Makes for a cleaner enviroment, happier, and more productive employees --> improved product/improved revenues to the widget company

[BT]

Makes for a cleaner enviroment, happier, and more productive employees --> improved product/improved revenues to the widget company

So what you are really saying is the janitor frees up revenue producers so that they can produce revenue, because i doubt the building would stay dirty without the additional costs of a janitor.

[sirs]

No, what I'm saying is the hiring of Janitors by companies makes for a cleaner enviroment, and subsequent happier, and more productive employees --> improved product/improved bottom line for said company

[BT]

So who would you hire first, a janitor or a salesman?

Me, i'd hire a salesman. I know how to empty my own trashcan. I would probably hire a receptionist before i hired a janitor.

[kimba1]

pretty much janitors tend to be contract workers to cut cost on benefits and the duties of a janitor is fairly time consuming but normally doable in a required shift.

meaning it`ll be fairly difficult(not impposible) for the remaining staff to absorb. I`m pretty sure a widget employee will not be happy to have a job if he has to clean toilets, dispose compost recycling or haul 40 lbs. of paper for recycling to the garage.

today restaurants have laid off busboys and got waitresses to cover that job and now incur a rapid loss of silverware since waitresses are too much of a rush to bother sorting them.not sure if this problem has been solved by now

but don`t get me wrong the 1st to be hired will be the revenue generator. I`m just stating thier will be a need for a janitor for any business with growth.

[sirs]

So who would you hire first, a janitor or a salesman?

Salesman as needed, then janitor as needed.  It's apparent the salemsan can better focus his time and energy on sales, vs taking out the trash, cleaning rest rooms, and cleaning all the floors.  Tends to take away from his productivity as a salesman.  Same goes for the receptionist

[BT]

Janitors are a luxury and not mission critical. They may add intangible dollars to the bottom line, but only indirectly and only to the extent that they free up revenue producers. A good receptionist has a much clearer impact on the bottom line.
 

[sirs]

Never said they were.  I merely said, as seems to be clearly (dare I say) obvious, that the salesman time and energy is better suited when he's focused on sales, and not on Janitorial work.  Tends to take AWAY from the bottom line

[BT]

Never said they were.

Glad we can agree that janitors add to the cost to doing business.

[kimba1]

it pretty much depends at what stage a business is at.

staff of five probly not needed, but 15 will most likely need it.

[BT]

Companies with less than 20 employees usually hire cleaning services.
Which makes the janitor a revenue producer, just for someone else.

[Plane]

Companies with less than 20 employees usually hire cleaning services.
Which makes the janitor a revenue producer, just for someone else.

Janitors prevent loss, or don't depending on whos time they are saving.

It can be a judgement call, the Mayor can continue to think as he mops his own floor , so little is gained in hireing a janitor for the Mayor, but the clerk who renews licences is busy all day and has a reduction of productivuty when he has to stop and clean up.