Unconstitutional! Can we have our $1 Trillion back now?

[sirs]

You think they should be punished?  Rewarded?  What did you have in mind?  Inquiring minds would love to know

[BT]

I think if one chooses to not join an insurance pool and they seek medical attention they should be required to prove financial ability to pay for services rendered and if they can't they should be turned away. Choices have consequences.

I think that this would constitute a private contract for services rendered and I'm not sure the state has a compelling interest other than regulating the providers. I think the same would hold true for auto insurance. I think you should be able to show financial ability to cover liability in lieu of insurance if that is what you choose to do. I'm not sure whether the state really has a compelling interest in this other than a responsibility in civil court to adjudicate liability, if in dispute.

Personally i think that we should go with a single payer system for basic health care financed by a sales or VAT tax with the option to purchase supplemental insurance if one so chooses for services not covered by the basic plan. If you are going to promise universal health care, make it universal and provide the health care. I'm not sure why the pols think they need to protect the insurance companies, Maybe it's the benjamins.


 

[Xavier_Onassis]

Single payer is the way to go.

[sirs]

By all means.....YOU pay

[BT]

By all means.....YOU pay

EVERYBODY PAYS, one way or another.
Even under the current system.

 

[sirs]

That's no excuse to mandate everyone pay for everyone else's healthcare.  If Xo wants to be the single payer, or yourself, I embrace your sincerity and apparent boundless resources.  And if you 2 work together, you can split the cost even

[BT]

Judging by your reply, one could easily surmise that you do not know what a single payer system is.

[Christians4LessGvt]

That's no excuse to mandate everyone pay for everyone else's healthcare. 

XO just wants the producers to cover the non-producers that smoke and
dont exercise...ya know the ones that decide they'd rather have a flat screen
and a new car than insurance. Botton line is basically XO wants a big new welfare
program. It will turn out just like the gvt schools...shit results....but everybody
gettin 'em an edge-ya-mah-cation!   Got a health problem? Hey just walk
on in...or fly on in...and BOOM the gvt nanny will cover that cancer treatement
that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars....got a sick grandpa in 3rd world
fly 'em on in....get 'em in....crowd the system so others wait and wait and wait
and wait and wait and wait...and die.

[sirs]

I think if one chooses to not join an insurance pool and they seek medical attention they should be required to prove financial ability to pay for services rendered and if they can't they should be turned away. Choices have consequences.

"Insurance pool"?.  Is this a "it takes a village" approach?  I think if you purchase insurance, and you have coverage for X, and you have X done, it's payed for by insurance, regardless of your current "financial ability"

Personally i think that we should go with a single payer system for basic health care financed by a sales or VAT tax with the option to purchase supplemental insurance if one so chooses for services not covered by the basic plan.

Personally, I don't think I should have to pay for your healthcare insurance.  I have enough to deal with on my own front, with the limited resources I have

If you are going to promise universal health care, make it universal and provide the health care.

a) I'm not the one promising it
b) it's not constitutional (hopely to be reaffirmed by SCOTUS soon)
c) it's not the Government's responsibility to mandate that every tax payer provide health you insurance

So it's a bogus "promise" to begin with

Judging by your reply, one could easily surmise that you do not know what a single payer system is.

It would be another erroneous summation, but then again, you've had several with this current trend of "thought exercise"

[BT]

That's no excuse to mandate everyone pay for everyone else's healthcare. 

XO just wants the producers to cover the non-producers that smoke and
dont exercise...ya know the ones that decide they'd rather have a flat screen
and a new car than insurance. Botton line is basically XO wants a big new welfare
program. It will turn out just like the gvt schools...shit results....but everybody
gettin 'em an edge-ya-mah-cation!   Got a health problem? Hey just walk
on in...or fly on in...and BOOM the gvt nanny will cover that cancer treatement
that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars....got a sick grandpa in 3rd world
fly 'em on in....get 'em in....crowd the system so others wait and wait and wait
and wait and wait and wait...and die.

That's the beauty of funding it with sales (VAT) tax. No one slips through the cracks. If you buy something you are paying a healthcare premium at the same time. You buy a flat screen TV, voila, you also pay for that doctors visit. We don't have anything that currently captures participants in the underground economy. This method captures them all. Crack dealers, prostitutes, day laborers working for cash. They all buy stuff.

Employers wouldn't need to offer health benefits unless they want to offer a supplemental plan. Employees would take home more pay because their employers aren't paying health care.

[BT]

"Insurance pool"?.  Is this a "it takes a village" approach?

Kind of. When you buy insurance you are joining an insurance pool. Do you understand how insurance works?

[BT]

It would be another erroneous summation, but then again, you've had several with this current trend of "thought exercise"

Really? Please explain to the class what a single payer system is.

[BT]

b) it's not constitutional (hopely to be reaffirmed by SCOTUS soon)

Is Medicare constitutional?

[sirs]

b) it's not constitutional (hopely to be reaffirmed by SCOTUS soon)

Is Medicare constitutional?

Shouldn't be.  I'll look forward to SCOTUS decision on this one, and we can put this to rest

It would be another erroneous summation, but then again, you've had several with this current trend of "thought exercise"

Really? Please explain to the class what a single payer system is.

EVERYONE, with an emphasis on EVERYONE, pays into a fund via fee/tax, and 1 entity, the Government (i.e. the tax payers) are billed and pays for everyone's healthcare, via that fund.  Which in this case is likely the same as SS, meaning, it just goes into the general fund, no lockbox

"Insurance pool"?.  Is this a "it takes a village" approach?

Kind of.  

Thanks, for the honesty

Do you understand how insurance works?

By design, Yep.  Every minute detail, no

[sirs]

That's no excuse to mandate everyone pay for everyone else's healthcare. 

XO just wants the producers to cover the non-producers that smoke and
dont exercise...ya know the ones that decide they'd rather have a flat screen
and a new car than insurance. Botton line is basically XO wants a big new welfare
program. It will turn out just like the gvt schools...shit results....but everybody
gettin 'em an edge-ya-mah-cation!   Got a health problem? Hey just walk
on in...or fly on in...and BOOM the gvt nanny will cover that cancer treatement
that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars....got a sick grandpa in 3rd world
fly 'em on in....get 'em in....crowd the system so others wait and wait and wait
and wait and wait and wait...and die.

That's the beauty of funding it with sales (VAT) tax. No one slips through the cracks. If you buy something you are paying a healthcare premium at the same time. You buy a flat screen TV, voila, you also pay for that doctors visit.

And you pay for someone ELSE's Dr's visit.  Yea, let's just add on more taxes, that's the ticket