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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 11:08:51 AM »
The Constitution is really clear on this: if you are born here, you are a citizen.

They would have to amend the Constitution to change this.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2010, 11:32:46 AM »
Again, it DOES NOT MATTER what Congress does.If Reid got a bill passed, it would be ruled unconstitutional.

It DOES NOT MATTER whether O'Reilly or anyone else thinks this is "fair".

The Constitution says everyone born here is a citizen.The only way to change this is to amend the Constitution.

Coulter seems to have that sunken eye socket cadaverous look that Cher has.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2010, 11:59:11 AM »
Again, it DOES NOT MATTER what Congress does. If Reid got a bill passed, it would be ruled unconstitutional.
It DOES NOT MATTER whether O'Reilly or anyone else thinks this is "fair".
The Constitution says everyone born here is a citizen.The only way to change this is to amend the Constitution.
Coulter seems to have that sunken eye socket cadaverous look that Cher has.

Nice "attack the messenger" personally again like you did with Governor Christie's weight.
But beyond your dodging the issues petty personal attacks you are just wrong again.
It would not be ruled unconstitutional. See Section 5 of the 14th Amendment.
Iowa GOP Rep.Steve King the incoming chairman of the house subcommittee
that oversees immigration said one of the first things the incoming Republican
controlled congress will take up will be ending the practice of automatically
awarding U S citizenship to children of illegal aliens.
Is is clear that the 14th Amendment was not intended to reward lawbreakers.


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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2010, 01:11:53 PM »
The way to see that this is unconstitutional is to pass the law and see what happens.

Coulter is a disgusting harpy. I find her to be one of the most repulsive people in American politics, right up there with Carville.

As for Christie, I simply was stating a fact: Christie will never be elected president unless he loses some serious tonnage. watch and see.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2010, 01:32:06 PM »
I'm not sure how section 5 could be used to alleviate the anchor baby syndrome.

For some deeper background on the citizenship clause of the 14th, this might prove interesting.

http://www.acslaw.org/files/Wydra%20Issue%20Brief.pdf

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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2010, 02:00:50 PM »
I'm not sure how section 5 could be used to alleviate the anchor baby syndrome.

Well I am glad six-tem California Congressman Gary Miller understands how Section 5
can be used to stop this disgracful prostitution of the original intent of the Constitution.

Time to End birth rite citizenship anchor-babies
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2010, 02:34:25 PM »
For those following, this is section 5 of the 14th amendment

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Miller is arguing that congress has the power to determine how the amendment is applied, in my mind that is quite different than having the power to enforce.


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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2010, 02:55:23 PM »
Being elected five times does not bestow upon him the power to change the Constitution.

Again, the Constitution will have to be amended.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2010, 03:05:29 PM »
Being elected five times does not bestow upon him the power to change the Constitution.

Again, the Constitution will have to be amended.

Either that or the courts would have to rule that a legislative remedy was not in conflict with the 14th.


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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2010, 05:04:25 PM »
Again, the Constitution will have to be amended.

No it won't, but either way to stop this insanity is ok with me.

The 14th Amendment stipulates that Congress has the power to
enforce its provisions by enactment of legislation and the power
to enforce a law is necessarily accompanied by the authority to
interpret that law. Therefore, an act of Congress stating its
interpretation of the 14th Amendment, as not to include the
offspring of illegal aliens, would fall within the Congress's
prerogative.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2010, 06:08:05 PM »
"Margaret Stock, a lawyer who teaches immigration law at the University of Alaska Anchorage, says that principle dates back to medieval times in England. The qualification that the parents must be subject to the home country’s jurisdiction goes back to those times, too, she says, in order to clarify that the children of foreign diplomats and invading armies would not be considered citizens.

But illegal immigrants today do not fit that exception, Stock argues. “Illegal immigrants have always been subject to our jurisdiction and subject to our laws,” she says. “That’s why we deport them.” If the immigrants were not subject to U.S. laws, Stock explains, they would be treated like diplomats or invading armies: They could not be charged with crimes or deported."

From the URL in the opening post.

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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2010, 06:34:07 PM »
I have an immigrant, just became a US citizen, who works for me doing odd jobs. His son will become a US citizen next year and will apply to get his mother here. Great, hard working, people. Who is more American? The Anchor baby, or the assholes who are trying to change some of America's most fundamental laws, and principles, because they're set now, and feel they don't need them? I'll take the hard worker immigrant, legal, or illegal, and their anchor baby, every time. These chickensh*t, moronic, new far-right fools are no more American in their outlook than Snowblower was. It's the far right that should be deported. We'll start with Ann Coulter. She looks like a Nazi collaborator looking for a Nazi to collaborate with. 

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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2010, 06:37:40 PM »
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Therefore, an act of Congress stating its interpretation of the 14th Amendment, as not to include the offspring of illegal aliens, would fall within the Congress's prerogative.

I don't think so. I think constitutional law falls under the jurisdiction of the federal courts. But i'm more than willing for you to show me where that is not true.