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Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« on: December 27, 2010, 07:32:02 PM »


Mideast meddlers turned back in Iraq

December 27, 2010

After almost a year of living with a lame-duck administration,
Iraq has just given itself a government with the promise of stability
for at least four more years.

On Dec. 21, the National Assembly, Iraq's parliament, approved the 42 members
of the proposed Cabinet headed by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki -- a long but
exciting process as the parliament members discussed and then voted, one by one,
on each ministerial candidate.

The good news is that the government was formed without foreign intervention.
America, which still has more than 50,000 troops in Iraq, decided from the start
to stay on the sidelines. The regional powers saw that as an opportunity for meddling.

The Islamic Republic in Iran reportedly spent almost $1 billion to help its Iraqi Shiite allies
win seats in the general election. The result was a meager 45 out of 320
seats,
divided among several groups.

Conceding its failure, Iran then tried to influence the government's formation through
political and diplomatic pressure.

Last autumn, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offered to host a conference of Iraqi political
parties in Tehran to decide the shape of the new government in Baghdad. Almost all Iraqi
parties, including at least two financed by Tehran, rejected the offer with varying degrees
of disdain.

Fearful that Iran might dominate Iraq after the American withdrawal, Arab Sunni countries
formed a bloc to help their allies win power in Baghdad. Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia
spent almost as much as Iran did to fix the results of the Iraqi election. They, too, failed.

Their next move was to propose a conference of Iraqi parties in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
The Iraqis turned down the Arab offer as they had the Iranian invitation.

The new Iraqi government represents a victory for all those who reject both Islamism
and pan-Arabism as outdated ideologies
. The biggest winners are those who assert
Uruqua (Iraqi-ness) and ta'adudiyah (pluralism.)

Today, one can claim that the Iraqi government is the most pluralist anywhere in the
Arab world
, with elected figures from all of Iraq's 18 ethnic and religious communities.
It includes representatives from 12 blocs formed by 66 parties.

Alongside all that good news, there is some bad news. First, and possibly the most important,
is that the new configuration reduces the parliament's powers. With all major parties sharing
power, chances that an effective parliamentary opposition can be formed appear slim. Together,
the government parties have at least 290 seats. That leaves 40 seats, mostly held by a new
Kurdish party, Goran (Change), and independents. Whether these newcomers to politics can
effectively hold the government to account remains to be seen.

The formation of a National Council for Strategic Affairs could weaken the parliament further.
The council may've been conjured to persuade former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi and his
powerful secularist bloc to join the coalition. Those who know Allawi, however, know
that he won't be satisfied with a ceremonial role and will try hard to turn the organ
into a parallel parliament.

Second is the almost total absence of women from the new government. Only one woman
has been appointed as an undersecretary; another is expected to be named minister for
home and family affairs.

But the Iraqi constitution imposes a 25 percent quota for women's presence in the parliament.
It isn't unreasonable to think that the same quota should be taken into account in the government's
composition. Interestingly, on the average, Iraq's female parliament members are better educated
and more experienced in their careers than their male colleagues. Thus, the women's absence from
the new Cabinet can only be blamed on pressure from Islamist parties.

Just seven years after its liberation from 30 years of Ba'athist tyranny, Iraq is reasserting its independence and sovereignty. A big part of the credit for its success goes to America's
determination to stand by the Iraqis as they tried to build a new life
.

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Re: Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 07:50:22 PM »
AS Americans , we do not need Iriqui government to be perfect before we can leave, good and competant are relitive terms , all we need is good enough and competant enough to struggle on when we do leave.

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Re: Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 10:33:04 PM »
AS Americans , we do not need Iriqui government to be perfect before we can leave,
good and competant are relitive terms , all we need is good enough and competant
enough to struggle on when we do leave.

I agree....but also not sure what you mean by "leave".
Yes we should "leave" as an active combat force.
But we never did "leave" Germany, Japan, or South Korea...
And I see no reason why not to have a base or two in Iraq if it works out for both parties.
I predict there will be an American air base in Iraq for many years to come.
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Re: Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 11:31:23 PM »
We left France and we left the Phillipines.

How much we leave Iraq doesn't seem to be decided yet.

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Re: Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 07:08:37 AM »
We left France and we left the Phillipines.

Yes and no. Yes we have left the two big bases in the Philippines for the time being,
but the US is still very involved with the Philippines militarily and it will probably continue
to grow as both countries need each other to balance what they see as a growing Chinese
threat in the area. The US may build/operate a new naval port and a military airport.

In 2006 alone, the United States and the Philippines scheduled up to 37 joint exercises,
including as many as six thousand U.S. troops (AsiaTimes). The United States has
also increased the number of arms that it sells to the Philippines. According to the
Center for Defense Information, U.S. arms sales to the Philippines were 63 percent
higher in the five years after September 11 than during the five years prior to September 11.
From 2001 to 2008, the U.S. provided a total of $1.343 billion in military sales.
The Pentagon has established temporary and small forward operating bases in
southern Philippines and has developed potential cooperative security locations
in the strategic parts of the country that can be used by American forces in any security
crisis in East Asia.
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Re: Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2010, 10:40:36 AM »
Sounds like we need the Philippines to buy our expensive used weapons and spare parts.
How is China a threat to the Philippines? Please.
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Re: Iran got their ass kicked by the Iraqi People!
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 01:18:02 PM »
How is China a threat to the Philippines? Please.

Do some Google searching...I'm not your research nanny.
Plus thats not what the topic or point of this thread is anyway.
If you dont think the Phillipines is concerned about China I've got a bridge to sell you.
Both China and the Philippines are seeking access to large oil and gas deposits believed
to be located underneath the sea throughout the region.
The People's Republic of China claim almost the entire South China Sea.
Are shots about to be fired? Uh no....are countries in the region concerned
about the Chinese Military Buildup....of course!
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