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Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« on: January 14, 2011, 11:11:35 PM »
Massacre, followed by libel
 
By Charles Krauthammer
Wednesday, January 12, 2011


The charge: The Tucson massacre is a consequence of the "climate of hate" created by Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Glenn Beck, Obamacare opponents and sundry other liberal betes noires.

The verdict: Rarely in American political discourse has there been a charge so reckless, so scurrilous and so unsupported by evidence.

As killers go, Jared Loughner is not reticent. Yet among all his writings, postings, videos and other ravings - and in all the testimony from all the people who knew him - there is not a single reference to any of these supposed accessories to murder.

Not only is there no evidence that Loughner was impelled to violence by any of those upon whom Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann, the New York Times, the Tucson sheriff and other rabid partisans are fixated. There is no evidence that he was responding to anything, political or otherwise, outside of his own head.

A climate of hate? This man lived within his very own private climate. "His thoughts were unrelated to anything in our world," said the teacher of Loughner's philosophy class at Pima Community College. "He was very disconnected from reality," said classmate Lydian Ali. "You know how it is when you talk to someone who's mentally ill and they're just not there?" said neighbor Jason Johnson. "It was like he was in his own world."

His ravings, said one high school classmate, were interspersed with "unnerving, long stupors of silence" during which he would "stare fixedly at his buddies," reported the Wall Street Journal. His own writings are confused, incoherent, punctuated with private numerology and inscrutable taxonomy. He warns of government brainwashing and thought control through "grammar." He was obsessed with "conscious dreaming," a fairly good synonym for hallucinations.

This is not political behavior. These are the signs of a clinical thought disorder - ideas disconnected from each other, incoherent, delusional, detached from reality.

These are all the hallmarks of a paranoid schizophrenic. And a dangerous one. A classmate found him so terrifyingly mentally disturbed that, she e-mailed friends and family, she expected to find his picture on TV after his perpetrating a mass murder. This was no idle speculation: In class "I sit by the door with my purse handy" so that she could get out fast when the shooting began.

Furthermore, the available evidence dates Loughner's fixation on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords to at least 2007, when he attended a town hall of hers and felt slighted by her response. In 2007, no one had heard of Sarah Palin. Glenn Beck was still toiling on Headline News. There was no Tea Party or health-care reform. The only climate of hate was the pervasive post-Iraq campaign of vilification of George W. Bush, nicely captured by a New Republic editor who had begun an article thus: "I hate President George W. Bush. There, I said it."

Finally, the charge that the metaphors used by Palin and others were inciting violence is ridiculous. Everyone uses warlike metaphors in describing politics. When Barack Obama said at a 2008 fundraiser in Philadelphia, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," he was hardly inciting violence.

Why? Because fighting and warfare are the most routine of political metaphors. And for obvious reasons. Historically speaking, all democratic politics is a sublimation of the ancient route to power - military conquest. That's why the language persists. That's why we say without any self-consciousness such things as "battleground states" or "targeting" opponents. Indeed, the very word for an electoral contest - "campaign" - is an appropriation from warfare.

When profiles of Obama's first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, noted that he once sent a dead fish to a pollster who displeased him, a characteristically subtle statement carrying more than a whiff of malice and murder, it was considered a charming example of excessive - and creative - political enthusiasm.

When Senate candidate Joe Manchin dispensed with metaphor and simply fired a bullet through the cap-and-trade bill - while intoning, "I'll take dead aim at [it]" - he was hardly assailed with complaints about violations of civil discourse or invitations to murder.

Did Manchin push Loughner over the top? Did Emanuel's little Mafia imitation create a climate for political violence? The very questions are absurd - unless you're the New York Times and you substitute the name Sarah Palin.

The origins of Loughner's delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman's?


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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 11:54:14 PM »
oh to be a liberal

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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2011, 01:07:40 AM »
great article that i had missed...thanks SIRS!
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2011, 02:58:29 AM »
You're welcome

Which provides me another tangent, in taking us back to Obama's speech.  How we're being told it was an appropriate speech, and had very little, if any political opportunities.  The t-shirts were bad enough.  For those who actually saw and/or heard it, you saw & heard how Obama was introduced, by the head of the University.  You saw and heard how the audience reacted...at a memorial.  If one closed their eyes, and wiped out what the "event" was, you would have sworn it was a kick off to the 2012 Presidential campaign.  And at no time did the President ever put his hand up to get the audience to remember where they were, and what this "event" was all about

The charges by the left, as wreckless as they were, were enabled by this President.  the "heated rhetoric" that fueled all the vitriol following the AZ tragedy was nearly universally coming from the left.  Obama had an opportunity to put them in their place.  He had an opportunity to have his own Sister Souljah moment.  He didn't have to condemn the left, but he could have encouraged them to ratchet it down.  It's like when you ask a Palestinian supporter if they'd denounce and condemn suicide bombers, who target and kill innocent children, the universal answer is "We condemn all terrorist activities, especially those by the Israelis, yada, blah, etc."  Meaning he didn't, or couldn't, or wouldn't.  Instead, he makes this plea for everyone to ratchet it down.....as if it was the right calling for folks to bring a gun to a knife fight.  No mention or even inference of where the current wreckless vitriol is coming from

Yea, he "said the right things", he pushed a centrist message, and he advocated that we all should get along better.  Words.  That all they were.  He's good at that.  It's one of the reasons he became president.  One of the reasons he's likely to be a 1 term president is his piss poor judgement.  He had an opportunity to mend alot of fences, and make this a rather apolitical event.  Apparently, that was too much to ask
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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 04:02:06 AM »
When is a Mosque not a Mosque? When sirs calls it one.

When is political opportunism not political opportunism? When sirs says it is.

Why is this true? Because from where sirs head is at you can't see anything but darkness.

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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 04:23:56 AM »
Boy it sure is hard to remain civil with crap like that, B.  Then again, perhaps you have no intention of being civil.  Perhaps incapable
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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 08:43:14 AM »
"The t-shirts were bad enough."

Sirs, wasn't it shown that the Tee shirts were the University's choice, not the White House's? Yet you go right back to it like that never happened and you did the same thing with the Islamic Center. I point out that it isn't a Mosque, you agree, but say you're going to keep calling it a Mosque. What is anybody suppose to think that reads your posts? It looks like you're the one who has no intention of being civil, let alone accurate.


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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2011, 11:15:25 AM »
You're really off your rocker there, B.  Then again, I think we already referenced the why part, at least as it relates to "the mosque".  You simply weren't here, when the original debate came up, and the reference to the mosque was clear, in that it was simply a part of the planned cultural center.  and the T-shirts remain completely inappropriate for a memorial service, despite who placed them there.  I noticed how you completely ignore the point of having seen/heard the "memorial service", and want to fixate on the t-shirts

I have consistently tried to remain civil.  I'm not degrading or demeaning anybody's post....until someone starts it, with mine.  Then all bets are off.  So, if you want to make a point or debate an issue I've brought up, by all means.  If you want to act like a 12year old twit, with no intention of being civil, then by all means......continue as you've been
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2011, 12:42:06 PM »
Referring to the center as a Mosque is as disingenuous as referring to someone's home as a latrine because it has a bathroom in it. You use Mosque because it fits your agenda. Same with the t-shirts. The words prior to your mentioning of the t-shirts this time are "political opportunities" as it applies to Obama and the White House.

Keep acting like your head is up your ass and I'll keep calling you on it.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2011, 01:02:05 PM »
so...lemme see if I have this straight...you think of a Mosque as ...... a bathroom??  a toilet??

wow

And again, the opporotunitism I referenced was transparently clear, especially in how the audience responded at 'the memorial".  If you didn't hear or see that either, much like "the mosque" issue, I suppose we can give you  pass on that as well

And if you wish to continue to act like that 12yr old twit, the floor is yours
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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2011, 02:24:48 PM »
Apparently the location of your head is a permanent affliction so I'll be referencing it early and often. BTW, I hope your mother is paying BT well for babysitting you.


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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2011, 02:31:45 PM »
Apparently you've decided to revel in being a 12 year old, vs engaging in civil debate.  By all means, continue.  You're on a roll
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 04:34:14 PM »
SIRS....it's semantic games......mosque/prayer center/prayer space...what the hell.....look at their own website:

"Located at 49-51 Park Place, PrayerSpace is a separate non-for-profit, independent of Park51.

Upon completion, it will have the capacity to accommodate approximately 2,000 people.

It will offer a range of services and religious programming, including Qur'an classes,
Qur'anic recitation [tajwid], Islamic sciences, Arabic, and others.

Currently, PrayerSpace is open for daily prayers, and well as Jummah Friday prayers.

Operation hours: 12:45-6:45 PM"


http://www.prayerspacenyc.org/
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 05:03:27 PM »
Referring to the center as a Mosque is as disingenuous as referring to someone's home as a latrine because it has a bathroom in it. You use Mosque because it fits your agenda. Same with the t-shirts. The words prior to your mentioning of the t-shirts this time are "political opportunities" as it applies to Obama and the White House.

Keep acting like your head is up your ass and I'll keep calling you on it.

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What is disingenuous about saying that a Mosque will be built on the spot ?


Do you mean that the Mosque being enclosed in something elese makes it less a Mosque?

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Re: Rarely, has there been a charge, so wreckless
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2011, 09:21:05 AM »
Do you mean that the Mosque being enclosed in something elese makes it less a Mosque?

A mosque within something else is of course, no less a mosque.
But what is being protested by the ratbag right is not a mosque, it is ANY Moslem structure of any kind near the former WTC. There appears to be a lot of spiritual baggage involved that the righties cannot express, such as the idea that there is a mystical aura of Christian holiness emitted by the martyrdom of the Christians and other capitalists surrounding the "Ground Zero" location, that must not be diminished by the Muslim holiness of the  prayers sent to Allah that would be emitted by the mosque.

There is also the insistence that allowing a mosque to be built at Park 51 would be like flipping a huge Muslim bird at American Christians, a giant "Islam's Numbah One!" foam finger, waving in defiance at the center of capitalist neocolonialism.  

Neither is a rational argument, and this is because there is no rational argument possible, only emotional ones from both the Christians and the Muslims.

One imaginary sky being, "God" vs. the same imaginary sky being in a turban "Allah", vying for the hearts and minds of the simplistic over a chunk of real estate.

As an agnostic, I must say that while I admit to the possibility of a Demiurge, He could not logically take the form of the imagined Jehovah or the imagined Allah.

BTW, the word is "reckless", without the w.
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