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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2011, 07:33:55 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110221/ap_on_re_af/af_libya_protests

Things don't look good for the government.

After all these orders to bomb and shoot the crouds Quaddifi will have to get gone just to avoid the Mousoulini retirement plan.

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2011, 08:04:05 PM »
He's just a splinter fella C.  Not connected to MB in any way.  Closer ties to Kevin Bacon, in fact.  Or so I'm told

source?

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2011, 09:49:05 PM »
No source.  Just a deduction based on previous "connections" to MB
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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 10:14:08 PM »
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Or so I'm told

Thus my confusion.


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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2011, 10:51:53 PM »
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Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!


Obama inherited this from the previous administration.

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2011, 02:06:11 PM »
Qadaffi just gave a speech in which he says that he wants to die a martyr rather than leave.

The question is, a martyr to what? He represents no ideology other than staying in power. Most of the time, he denied actually being in charge.

It's like a butcher being a martyr to the proposition that ham is worth $2.69 a pound.
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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2011, 02:10:07 PM »
Qadaffi just gave a speech in which he says that he wants to die a martyr rather than leave.

The question is, a martyr to what? He represents no ideology other than staying in power. Most of the time, he denied actually being in charge.

It's like a butcher being a martyr to the proposition that ham is worth $2.69 a pound.


Hahahahaha!

That is insightfull, Quaddifi is useing martyrdom buzzwords.

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2011, 09:50:26 PM »
Qaddafi launches jihad with sea barrage on Benghazi, blocked oil exports

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

February 22, 2011, 8:07 PM (GMT+02:00)


"I will die a martyr!"

In a long, fiery speech broadcast by Libyan state TV Tuesday, Libya's ruler Col. Muammar Qaddafi declared
war on his enemies at home and abroad. He accused the Cyrenaicans of the East of conspiring to establish
an Al Qaeda emirate that would bring the Americans over and create the same situation in Libya as in Afghanistan
and Pakistan
and threatened them with the fury of millions of Libyans. Straight after his speech, Tripoli announced
that Libyan oil and gas exports were blocked to Europe, causing pandemonium in a world market that saw a
12 percent price hike of crude oil this week and seriously threatens the fragile economies of many nations.
Libyan Navy missile ships began pounding Benghazi from the sea.

debkafile's Gulf sources report that Saudi Arabia quietly informed Washington and some Arab capitals that it
has enough spare production capacity to tide them over for the loss of Libya's exported 1.8 million barrels a day.

The Saudis have a serious bone to pick with Qaddafi after foiling his plot to assassinate King Abdullah in 2007.
Contrary to expectations in some Western capitals, Qaddafi made it clear he had no intention of devolving his
powers or  "stepping down and giving up like other leaders
."

Earlier Tuesday, debkafile reported: Even after two pilots defected to Malta, the 22,000-man strong Libyan Air Force
with its 13 bases is Muammar Qaddafi's mainstay for survival against massive popular and international dissent.
debkafile's military sources report that 44 air transports and a like number of helicopters swiftly lifted loyal tribal
militiamen fully armed from the Sahara and dropped them in the streets of Tripoli Monday, Feb. 21. Qaddafi had
mustered them to fill the gaps left by defecting army units and the large tribal militia which went over to the people.

One of the ruler's sons, Mutassim Qaddafi, is in command of the Tripoli crackdown. Air Force planes, mostly from
the Libyan Air Force's inventory of 226 trainers, and helicopter gunships, bombed and fired heavy machine guns
to scatter every attempt to stage a rally in the city's districts. In their wake, Mutassim's "Libyan Popular Army"
cleared the streets of protesters.

The tactics employed by Qaddafi and his sons was, first, to give the protesters free rein to rampage through
the city, torch state TV and government buildings and so generate an impression among them and in the West
that the Qaddafis were about to fall.

But when the demonstrators fanned out to seize the rest of the capital, they were bombed from the air
and targeted by the tribal militias, who had no qualms about shooting directly at civilian crowds.

By the small hours of Tuesday, Feb. 22, when Qaddafi went on air to demonstrate he was still in Tripoli,
he was again in control of the capital.

In a similar tactic, he first tried to gull his international critics by sending his urbane son, Saif al-Islami,
who has convinced many influential people in the West that he is a moderate compared with his father,
to state the Qaddafi case in a television interview Sunday, Feb. 20. Behind the scenes, another son,
Mutassim, supreme commander of the Popular Army, designed a vicious crackdown in the capital.
Deep in Sahara, their father raised a tribal army to fight for their survival.

When Muammar Qaddafi delivered his victory statement Tuesday, he sounded just like
"the madman of the Middle East" ? and epithet attached to him by the late Ronald Reagan.
But in less than 60 seconds, he had conveyed his message that, although buildings were on
fire in Tripoli, he was still standing and was determined to punish all his enemies,
whom he dismissed scornfully as "foreign dogs" and "terrorist gangs of misguided youths,
exploited and fed hallucinogenic pills."

Our military sources report his strategy for staying in power rests first on consolidating his grip on
Tripoli and then using it as a base for military operations to regain control of the rest of the country,
including Cyrenaica.

The Libyan ruler has not yet thrown all this military resources into the battle for survival. His navy is still in reserve.
But his substantial air might well be crucial fro his fight to recover Cyrenaica's coastal towns of Benghazi and Tobruk
from the rebels.

Qaddafi shows no sign of being cowed or deterred by international revulsion at his methods and the
condemnations expected from the UN Security Council and the Arab League, both of which hold special meetings
on Libya later Tuesday. Libya's deputy ambassador to UN accused the ruler of "genocide" and war crimes against
his own people" and several ambassadors have quit or refused to represent his government any longer. But Qaddafi
is very much on the warpath.
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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2011, 12:37:41 AM »
As they are saying in the Middle East about Libya, "The people decided to get rid of the regime; instead the regime decided to get rid of the people."

We watched videos that people in Libya sent in and it was horrifying. And as Qaddafi said in his speech yesterday, he hasn't even begun to use force yet, but today he will start.

Libya: Jet Fighters Bombing Protesters in Tripoli
http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201102219944/Related-news-from-Libya/libya-gaddafi-warplanes-bombing-protesters-in-tripoli.html

Libyan warplanes were bombing indiscriminately across Tripoli on Monday, a resident of the Libyan capital told al Jazeera television in a live broadcast.

"What we are witnessing today is unimaginable. Warplanes and helicopters are indiscriminately bombing one area after another. There are many, many dead," Adel Mohamed Saleh said.

Saleh, who called himself a political activist, said the bombings had initially targeted a funeral procession.

"Our people are dying. It is the policy of scorched earth." he said. "Every 20 minutes they are bombing."

Asked if the attacks were still happening he said: "It is continuing, it is continuing. Anyone who moves, even if they are in their car they will hit you."

There was no independent verification of the report but Fathi al-Warfali, the Libyan activist who heads the Swiss-based Libyan Committee for Truth and Justice, who was taking part in a protest outside U.N. European headquarters in Geneva said he had heard the same reports.

"Military planes are attacking civilians, protesters in Tripoli now. The civilians are frightened. Where is the United Nations, where is Amnesty International?" al-Warfali told Reuters.

Two Libyan Air Force fighter pilots defected on Monday and flew their jets to Malta where they told authorities they had been ordered to bomb protesters, Maltese government officials said.

They said the two pilots, both colonels, took off from a base near Tripoli. One of them has requested political asylum.

The pilots are being questioned by the Maltese police.

The two said they decided to fly to Malta after being ordered to bomb anti-government protesters in Libya's second largest city of Benghazi, the sources said.

Police were also questioning seven passengers who landed in European Union member state Malta from Libya on board two French-registered helicopters.

The government sources said the helicopters left Libya without authorization by the Libyan aviation authorities and that only one of the seven passengers -- who say they are French citizens -- had a passport.

A French Foreign Ministry spokesman could not immediately confirm the information as it was still being verified.

The four-decade rule of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has been shaken by days of violent protests which reached the capital Tripoli for the first time on Monday.
(Reuters, al Jazeera)

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2011, 01:16:45 AM »
Gives one a way to appreaciate the Military of Egypt , just a better attitude.

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2011, 01:44:31 AM »
Libya Needs Your Voice NOW
http://www.kabobfest.com/2011/02/libya-needs-your-voice-now/

Today on the 22nd of February 2011, a White House protest against Muammar Al Qaddafi, the crazy man of Libya. A number of Libyans showed up, the sons and  daughters of Libya stood tall and were loud, We do not need this guy. It was a small size protest in comparison with other protests I have seen in the DC area.  There were virtually no media outlets to document the protest. Why are most people leaving the people of Libya at the mercy of this lunatic bloody clown?

We caught up with Khaled M, a Chicago based Libyan American rapper whose own father Fathi had a run with the Libyan dictator regime who imprisoned him and torture him for five years. And when the then young man found a home in America, there were assassins. Khaled M came from Chicago few days ago and has been taken part of protests in front of the White House since he arrived to the nation?s capital.  Khaled and his country men and women have been organizing for years, but now their moment has arrived and they need your voice. You cannot see this bloodshed and brutality and be silent because your very silence is what the evil man banks on.

Here are some videos and footage from the protest and call to action by Khaled M.

Rapper Khaled M Message to Activists

Rapper Khaled M on The Situation in Libya

Libyan Activists Protest Qaddafi in Washington DC

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2011, 03:53:02 AM »
Queendafi



Translation of text: "The mechanism of ruling is the first political problem that faces people" (I believe this is from the Green Book?)

Found at: http://andfaraway.net/blog/2011/02/23/queendafi/

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2011, 03:55:03 AM »
"...everything will burn"
http://www.kabobfest.com/2011/02/everything-will-burn

If you?re like me, you sat in horror yesterday while trying to make sense of Muammar Gaddafi?s incoherent ramblings. If there were any doubts as to how crazy, delusional, and psychopathic Gaddafi is, they have been put to rest; Gaddafi is truly the quintessential maniac. During his pre-recorded diatribe, he ordered his supporters to charge the streets and ?capture the rats.? Like his son Seif al-Islam did previously, Gaddafi claimed that anti-government protesters were ?drugged? religious extremists and al-Qaida agents. At one point, Gaddafi said that he has no problem ?cleansing Libya house by house? until protesters have been stopped. Referring to himself in the third person several times (who does that?) Gaddafi vowed to ?die as a martyr at the end.?

For what cause does Gaddafi consider himself a martyr? The cause to promote his own self-indulgence? His own lunacy? As he rants and raves about his leadership over the ?popular revolution,? a real revolution against his tyranny is taking place. Already numerous governmental officials, including Libya?s interior minister General Abdul-Fatah Younis, have defected from his murderous regime and implored the United Nations to intervene. At the very least, the UN Security Council should help impose a no-fly zone over Libya in order to prevent additional fighter jets from attacking civilian protesters.

While nobody is certain how many people Gaddafi has killed in his senseless battle with reality, the International Federation for Human Rights estimates that the death toll is somewhere between 300 and 400 people. Unfortunately, this may only be the beginning of a brutal bloodbath. According to Gaddafi, ?I have not yet ordered the use of force, not yet ordered one bullet to be fired ? when I do, everything will burn.?

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Re: Now Libya is teetering on the brink..... Qaddafi could be next!
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2011, 07:02:02 AM »
"What we are witnessing today is unimaginable. Warplanes and helicopters are indiscriminately bombing one area after another. There are many, many dead," Adel Mohamed Saleh said. Saleh, who called himself a political activist, said the bombings had initially targeted a funeral procession. "Our people are dying. It is the policy of scorched earth." he said. "Every 20 minutes they are bombing." Asked if the attacks were still happening he said: "It is continuing, it is continuing. Anyone who moves, even if they are in their car they will hit you." "Military planes are attacking civilians, protesters in Tripoli now. The civilians are frightened. Where is the United Nations, where is Amnesty International?" al-Warfali told Reuters. (Reuters, al Jazeera)

Henny....it seems to me the media and Obama has much less "outrage" over this than Egypt.
Why do you think that is?
Obama was out front and center about GET OUT NOW MUBARAK!
Why the more restraint about someone using military fighter jets to kill protesters?
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2011, 07:16:53 AM »
"What we are witnessing today is unimaginable. Warplanes and helicopters are indiscriminately bombing one area after another. There are many, many dead," Adel Mohamed Saleh said. Saleh, who called himself a political activist, said the bombings had initially targeted a funeral procession. "Our people are dying. It is the policy of scorched earth." he said. "Every 20 minutes they are bombing." Asked if the attacks were still happening he said: "It is continuing, it is continuing. Anyone who moves, even if they are in their car they will hit you." "Military planes are attacking civilians, protesters in Tripoli now. The civilians are frightened. Where is the United Nations, where is Amnesty International?" al-Warfali told Reuters. (Reuters, al Jazeera)

Henny....it seems to me the media and Obama has much less "outrage" over this than Egypt.
Why do you think that is?
Obama was out front and center about GET OUT NOW MUBARAK!
Why the more restraint about someone using military fighter jets to kill protesters?

CU4, I am wondering the same thing - they are using ANTI-AIRCRAFT ROUNDS against the people. But this is not just about the U.S.; it seems that most of the world is entirely silent. Even in the Middle East the only country officially talking about it is Egypt which makes sense since the refugees are flowing over their border.

All I can think is that Egypt is much more important to the West as being the largest Arab population and also their proximity and relationship with Israel. And all of the U.S. aid they get.

I signed an e-petition today to the UN to step in and do SOMETHING. But like everything else the UN does, this will probably be another impotent failure.