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Plane

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Naral Advertisement
« on: March 07, 2011, 11:01:28 AM »
Do you see an advert from NARAL atop the page here?

If you don't , well then they arn't reading this text about the Abortion quandry and planned parenthood , these terms ought to attract the ad.

Big letters say "Stop the fight against contraception"which is of course not the point of any legislation being proposed . Planned Parenthood is trying to say that if their funding is cut the effect will be a reduction in contraception, even though the desired effect is a reduction in abortion.

If contraception is really important to Planned Parenthood why don't they capitulate on the Abortion and devote their entire effort to pregnancy prevention? The attacks from pro -life politicians would cease , the threat to their funding would be reversd.

Except of course what they charge for abortions itself , is that a major sorce of funding for them?

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 01:14:39 PM »
The main opponent of abortions is the Holy Mother Church, and it also opposes contraception. Originally, it supported banning all contraceptives by state law, until Connecticut's law was found unconstitutional long ago.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 01:27:33 PM »
Most Prodistants do not like abortions , even finding an agnostic who will admit to -likeing- abortions is difficult, everyone seems to call abortions regrettable.

This bill is not about contraception in any respect except that Planned Parenthood wants to make the connect , because , there are a -lot- of people who do like contraception.

If Planned Parenthood stopped supporting aborrtions as if they loved them more than life itself they would be able to doubble their financeing of contraception and education, which only a small minority object to.

If Planned Parenthood was sincere , why don't they capitulate and use the resulting increase in funding for makeing "regrettable" abortions less often needed?

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 08:22:13 PM »
I see no reason why they should abandon their principles to suck up to the fundies. They would get no real support from them, and would still be opposed by the Catholics.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 08:28:58 PM »
I see no reason why they should abandon their principles to suck up to the fundies. They would get no real support from them, and would still be opposed by the Catholics.

I see no reason for the government to pay for or defray the costs of abortions, any more than they should pay for or defray the costs for any elective surgeries.


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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 10:04:49 PM »
I see no reason why they should abandon their principles to suck up to the fundies. They would get no real support from them, and would still be opposed by the Catholics.

I see no reason for the government to pay for or defray the costs of abortions, any more than they should pay for or defray the costs for any elective surgeries.

Yeah but, in 1962, HAD the government gave out free abortions things might be a lot different today.

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2011, 11:08:41 PM »
Abortions were available in 1962. Anyone at a University, could find reputable doctors willing to perform them discretely and for a reasonable payment plan.

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 11:04:15 AM »
If you look at crime statistics, there is a huge dropoff in the crime rate in the 80's and 90's. This coincides with the availability of birth control pills in the 1960's and the availability of abortions. The obvious correlation is that there were fewer neglected males in their most crime-prone years (17 through 30).

It would seem to make sense to provide a free abortion to any woman requesting one as a far cheaper alternative to school dropouts, criminal and other antisocial behavior in the future, which is much more costly to society and taxpayers.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 11:08:39 AM »
If you look at crime statistics, there is a huge dropoff in the crime rate in the 80's and 90's. This coincides with the availability of birth control pills in the 1960's and the availability of abortions. The obvious correlation is that there were fewer neglected males in their most crime-prone years (17 through 30).

It would seem to make sense to provide a free abortion to any woman requesting one as a far cheaper alternative to school dropouts, criminal and other antisocial behavior in the future, which is much more costly to society and taxpayers.

Are you speaking of the cash value of a person?

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 11:11:51 AM »

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Are you speaking of the cash value of a person?
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Yes, that is how Liberals look at everything. From a cash standpoint. Understand though they always remove themselves from the equation.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 11:15:43 AM »
  What is good about modern liberals is the "we are all in this together" attitude that allows them to be self sacrificeing.

     What is bad about them is the same attitude which allows them to demand sacrifice of others.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2011, 11:47:08 AM »
There are two ways of looking at a ban on abortions: one from the viewpoint of the pregnant woman who knows she cannot deal with a baby at this point of her life and another from the viewpoint of society: what are the consequences of banning or not banning abortion?

From both standpoints, things turn out demonstrably better if abortions are simply left up to the woman and her doctor.

Note that the crime rate in Europe, where abortions are often covered by national heath insurance, is far lower. Unwanted children have a tendency to grow up as adults with serious antisocial problems: criminals, wife-beaters, bad mothers.

If those that want abortions to be illegal really gave a damn, they would offer adoption services, support for women during pregnancy and child care. But mostly, they don't. Mostly, they are hypocrites who overdosed on catechism.

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 11:48:31 AM »
  What is good about modern liberals is the "we are all in this together" attitude that allows them to be self sacrificeing.

     What is bad about them is the same attitude which allows them to demand sacrifice of others.

Yes but when you examine their actions you will see they don't match their lip service. Like paying taxes, how many Obama admin people had issues with not paying their taxes? The man in charge of Treasury, Little Timmy G somehow missed paying his taxes but now he's making sure all of us pay ours. So you see what I mean by they always remove themselves from the equation. Oh and another thing, has one of them ever sent in more money than is required to pay on their taxes? Don't hold your breath, they itemize deductions like it's nobody's business. Just look at Charlie Rangle, he makes up deduction,s and overlooks paying taxes on profits. And JFK, as in John Kerry avoids millions in dock fees by docking his boat 1 state over from his. Yeah they are one big pile of a piece of work.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2011, 12:44:38 PM »
From both standpoints, things turn out demonstrably better if abortions are simply left up to the woman and her doctor.

It's not so hot from the viewpoint of the aborted baby.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2011, 12:59:36 PM »
From both standpoints, things turn out demonstrably better if abortions are simply left up to the woman and her doctor.

It's not so hot from the viewpoint of the aborted baby.

Especially late term abortions. I'm not so sure women with a conscience mentally survives killing their child. I know our president is very comfortable with it though.