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The left praying for a shutdown
« on: March 16, 2011, 07:35:19 PM »
Getting a law passed in Congress is a very difficult thing to do, as our Founding Fathers designed it that way, fearing that bad legislation would rob the people of their rights and freedoms.

Of course that hasn't prevented Congress from passing bad legislation that denies our freedoms, such as Prohibition or, more recently, Obamacare, which will force Americans to buy health insurance they neither want nor need. But that has meant blocking good legislation, too, such as the House's mid-fiscal-year budget cuts, which will carve $61 billion out of President Obama's 2011 spending binge as a down payment for bigger budget cuts to come in the fiscal 2012 budget bill. The House bill is blocked by an unyielding Democratic majority in the Senate, the body that Thomas Jefferson said was needed to "cool the passions of the House."

In this case, the House Republicans were fully justified in their mission to end the runaway spending that has marked the Democrat-run Congress over the past two years -- pushing spending up to nearly $4 trillion a year, driving this year's budget deficit to an unprecedented $1.4 trillion, and ballooning our national debt to over $14 trillion, putting it on a fast track to another $10 trillion in this decade.

But here is where the spending battle gets complicated and very tricky. The budget for the entire government has been running on a so-called temporary, month-to-month continuing resolution (called a CR) for this fiscal year, which ends six months from now. That's not the way the budget process is supposed to work, but Democrats did not enact a budget, and somehow were never held accountable by the news media for their failure to carry out their chief fiscal responsibility.

So the House GOP's demands for spending cuts have been tied up by the continuing resolution that received a two-week extension to keep the government running while both sides worked on a compromise.

However, there wasn't much of a compromise. President Obama, not wanting to get his hands dirty, has stayed out of the budget process to the angst of Senate Democrats, who offered a puny $10 billion budget-cutting package to the CR that Republicans said was laughable and that some 10 Democrats voted against. So now, as the CR's expiration draws near, a growing number of tea party conservatives are opposing a further extension to force Democrats to negotiate a budget-cutting deal or else face a government shutdown.

The latest proposal from Republican leaders offers to extend the CR again, this time until April 8 in the hopes of negotiating deeper spending cuts for the remaining fiscal year. The CR contains $6 billion in cuts.

But Democrats have made it clear they're not interested in working out a compromise that significantly cuts spending, daring Republicans to force a government shutdown. Indeed, it is becoming increasingly clear that both Obama and Democratic leaders want a shutdown.

Why? Because then the story on the nightly network news programs will become the government shutdown -- i.e., which agencies have closed their doors -- giving the White House and Democrats in Congress a new political issue that shifts the focus from the spending debate on to the Republicans for shutting down the school lunch program or locking the doors of the Archives building where the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are on permanent display.

Democrats think they can win that issue and a nationwide poll of more than 1,000 Americans by the Washington Post suggests they can and will. When asked, "Overall, do you think a partial shutdown of the federal government would be a bad thing or a good thing?" 63 percent said bad and only 31 percent said good. Moreover, no one needs this issue more than Obama whose polling numbers are weak and re-election prospects wobbly at best.
He couldn't decide what to do about the ongoing massacre of protesters in Lybia.
He has no plan to deal with high unemployment.
He has been sitting on the sidelines in the budget debate.
When asked, "Who is taking a stronger leadership role in Washington?" 46 percent say the Republicans in Congress and 39 percent say Obama, according to the Post's survey.

But on the government spending debate, where Republicans want to keep the focus, the country remains divided over cutting spending and keeping essential functions operating. 43 percent support Obama on this, while 42 percent side with the Republicans and their argument that major spending cuts will lead to wider job creation.

Conservatives like tea party-backed Sen. Marco Rubio are saying that it is irresponsible to run the government on short term week-to-week CRs, and he is right of course.

But a government shutdown strategy, which most Americans who pay the bills wouldn't feel, would still give the Obama Democrats exactly what they need right now to distract attention from the Republicans' strongest issue: uncontrolled, unneeded federal spending.

The next round will be the 2012 budget fight that gives the GOP a more level playing field when the House will send a deep spending cut bill to the Senate and where a number of vulnerable Democrats up for re-election will happily vote for it.


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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2011, 08:33:57 PM »
myself and 60% of the American people would be very happy with the gov shut down.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2011, 11:51:37 PM »


You have to be a moron to want the government to shut down. It accomplishes nothing, and will cost everyone more.
It's exactly like wanting the electricity, gas and water shut off at your home to "teach the utilities a lesson". Idiotic.
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 12:38:23 AM »
You have to be a moron to want the government to shut down.

WOW....What a huge indictment of Obama & the Democrat party.  You might have to turn in your liberal decoder ring with that one, Xo


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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 01:51:24 AM »
If the govt is shut down, the Republicans will catch the blame for it, almost certainly. But it is still idiotic. Whatever we sent the Congressmen to do, it was NOT to shut down the government, just like no one buys a car so they can be stranded on the freeway in the rain.

It is a stupid thing to do.
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 02:33:23 AM »
If the govt is shut down, the Republicans will catch the blame for it, almost certainly.

But that's not the same as who "wants it".  Your quote, "You have to be a moron to want the government to shut down", and its most certainly the Dems and Obama who want it.


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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 12:10:01 PM »
I do not think that anyone wants the government to shut down. I do not think that you have a clue as to what Obama and the Democrats want.

Considering the large number of moron "teasies" in Congress, if the Democrats had wanted a shutdown, they would already have had one.

 
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 12:39:26 PM »
I do not think that anyone wants the government to shut down.

Obama & the Dems sure do.  They want it so they can shift the focus off their wreckless debt making spending binge to those evil Republicans wanting to keep federal workers and programs from gettting paid.

As such, those that want it must be stupid morons, per Xo


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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2011, 01:11:54 PM »

But it is still idiotic( to shut down the government)

As if it is not idiotic to keep spending money we dont have!  ::)
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 01:46:16 PM »
U.S. Debt Jumped $72 Billion Same Day U.S. House Voted to Cut Spending $6 Billion
Wednesday, March 16, 2011
By Terence P. Jeffrey


(CNSNews.com) - The national debt jumped by $72 billion on Tuesday even as the Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives passed a continuing resolution to fund the government for just three weeks that will cut $6 billion from government spending.

If Congress were to cut $6 billion every three weeks for the next 36 weeks, it would manage to save between now and late November as much money as the Treasury added to the nation?s net debt during just the business hours of Tuesday, March 15.

At the close of business on Monday, according to the Treasury Department?s Bureau of the Public Debt, the total national debt stood at $14.166 trillion ($14,166,030,787,779.80). At the close of business Tuesday, the debt stood at $14.237 trillion ($14,237,952,276,898.69), an increase of $71.9 billion ($71,921,489,118.89).

Since the beginning of fiscal year 2011--which began on Oct. 1, 2010--the national debt has climbed from $13.5616 trillion ($13,561,623,030,891.79) to $14.2379 trillion ($14,237,952,276,898.69) an increase of $676.3 billion ($676,329,246,006.90).

Congress would need to cut spending by $6 billion every three weeks for approximately the next six and a half years (338 weeks) just to equal the $676.3 billion the debt has increased thus far this fiscal year.


You bet the Dems are praying for a shut down
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2011, 02:52:54 PM »
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2011, 02:58:45 PM »
If I must
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011, 02:05:44 AM »
Ok, I give up.

Who should we surrender to?

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2011, 02:17:45 AM »
I wonder how much we would save if we did away with grief counselors.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 02:19:07 AM »
I wonder how much we would save if we did away with grief counselors.

What , just when I need to mourn my deceased paycheck?