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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2011, 02:26:30 AM »
I wonder how much we would save if we did away with grief counselors.

What , just when I need to mourn my deceased paycheck?

Fear not, defense spending is a constitutionally valid expense. No self respecting conservative would advocate weakening our national defense.  Even Hillary is for force projection.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 10:45:34 AM »
  A government shutdown would be like a lockout or a fulough.

   But of course no one would favor it, it would be the other sides fault no matter who you ask.

  In the past the worse I ever got wa about a two week wait , with make up later so I wasn't relly hurt much.

     It is unpleasant tho.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 02:07:38 PM »
If the government shuts down, then so does the Department of Defense. Perhaps they would issue credit cards to pilots so they could fly.
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 02:38:34 PM »
LOL......yea, Carrier Battle Groups would just come to a complete stop, and soldiers could sleep in until 11, then watch some back episodes of 24
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2011, 02:56:43 PM »
If the government shuts down, then so does the Department of Defense. Perhaps they would issue credit cards to pilots so they could fly.

"The threat dangles like a guillotine: If Republican and Democratic negotiators fail to forge a budget compromise, the federal government will shut down at the end of this week. Like a lot of political rhetoric, that?s overblown.

A federal 'shutdown' is more like a massive downshift - the federal government reaches too deeply into the crevices of daily American life to close. Social Security payments would still be made. Air traffic controllers would scan the skies. The mail should arrive at the doorstep.

" 'Nobody wants the guards heading off from federal prisons, saying, "Sorry, no one?s paying us, we?re out of here," ' said Stuart Kasdin, a public policy professor at George Washington University who was a manager at the Office of Management and Budget during the last federal shutdowns, in the mid-1990s.

"It?s unclear how many federal workers would actually receive furlough notices. But during the last shutdown at the end of 1995, only about 10 percent of the executive branch?s 2.8 million civilian workers were forced to take furloughs for as long as three weeks - about 280,000 workers."
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/03/16/in_a_government_shutdown_not_everything_would_halt/
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2011, 11:02:15 PM »
If the government shuts down, then so does the Department of Defense. Perhaps they would issue credit cards to pilots so they could fly.


  Each aircraft carrys a card that is used for purchase of fuel.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2011, 11:35:16 PM »
If the government shuts down, then so does the Department of Defense. Perhaps they would issue credit cards to pilots so they could fly.


  Each aircraft carrys a card that is used for purchase of fuel.

as far as I know just about every military command has at least one credit card.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2011, 05:06:59 AM »
If the government shuts down, then so does the Department of Defense. Perhaps they would issue credit cards to pilots so they could fly.


  Each aircraft carrys a card that is used for purchase of fuel.

as far as I know just about every military command has at least one credit card.

Yes and any person sent TDY is issued a credit card.

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2011, 04:00:05 PM »
They want it so bad, that now Obama is looking to facilitate himself.  So, the question will then be....will Obama's literally shutting it down by way of veto, still be twisted as Government shut down by the Republicans?  Despite the fact its only been Republicans presenting actual budgets to pass, Dems having been AWOL on the subject, since before last year's elections

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Obama vows to veto short-term bill

The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert a government shutdown.

Without a short-term extension, the options would be narrowed to either a broad successful deal or a shutdown as of midnight Friday.

?If presented with this bill, the president will veto it,? the White House said in an official statement of policy.

The House bill would extend the shutdown deadline by another week, to April 15, while funding defense needs for the rest of this year so that troops? paychecks would not be endangered by a shutdown.

Meanwhile, negotiations on a broader year-long bill appeared to be foundering.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Thursday morning said it now ?looks like it?s headed in that direction? when current funding runs out at midnight Friday.

Mr. Reid, Nevada Democrat, met for 90 minutes late Wednesday with Mr. Obama and House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, as they tried to work out a last-minute agreement to avert a shutdown, and Mr. Reid said he was optimistic after that meeting.

But just 11 hours later, he said that optimism had faded as the two sides have deadlocked over legislative add-ons, known as ?policy riders,? such as restricting federal funding for Planned Parenthood and halting environmental rules.

?The only thing ? only thing ? holding up agreement is ideology,? Mr. Reid said on the Senate floor.

Mr. Reid objects to the inclusion of any major policy riders. But House Republicans included many of them in the year-long funding bill they passed in February that also cut $61 billion from 2010 spending levels.

Mr. Reid objects to the inclusion of any major policy riders. But House Republicans included many of them in the year-long funding bill they passed in February that also cut $61 billion from 2010 spending levels.

Republicans have argued that Democrats need either to accept more cuts or to accept some of those policy riders.

Like Mr. Obama, Mr. Reid rejected the House?s short-term spending bill as a viable alternative.

The short-term bill would fund the Defense Department through the rest of this year, guaranteeing the troops would continue to get paychecks even in the event of a shutdown.

It also includes a policy rider to ban taxpayer-funded abortions in the District of Columbia, which as a federal district is under Congress? control. Republicans said that policy has been accepted in the past by Mr. Obama and Democratic leaders.

Mr. Reid and other Senate Democrats on Thursday called the policy riders the main sticking point to a deal, but Republicans defended them.

?Americans are concerned not just about how much we?re spending, but how we?re spending it. That?s why the policy provisions are an important part of this discussion,? said Michael Steel, a spokesman for Mr. Boehner.


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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2011, 05:34:29 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2011, 08:06:32 PM »
A Democrat-caused government shutdown is as real a possibility as ever today.  Moments ago, Republicans once again (my count is five) voted to prevent a partial shutdown by passing a one-week funding measure that cuts $12 Billion -- including defense spending -- while funding our troops for the rest of the year:

The GOP-controlled House has passed legislation seeking to keep the government open for another week while funding the Pentagon through September. But Senate Democrats oppose it, and President Barack Obama has promised a veto should the bill reach him.

Obama called the measure a distraction from ongoing negotiations on a full-year spending bill.

A partial government shutdown looms at midnight Friday. Quarreling consumed the Capitol on Thursday, even as top congressional negotiators went to the White House for more talks with Obama
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The final vote was 287-181, with several Democrats crossing the aisle to support the compromise.  The President is digging in his heels with a veto threat:

The Administration strongly opposes House passage of H.R. 1363, making appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for other purposes. As the President stated on April 5, 2011, if negotiations are making significant progress, the Administration would support a short-term, clean Continuing Resolution to allow for enactment of a final bill. 

If presented with this bill, the President will veto it.


I agree that another Band-Aid style fix isn't ideal, but given the ongoing stalemate over the larger CR question, I wonder if Democrats are playing with fire here.  This House-passed bill
- keeps the government running at full strength for another week and allows negotiations to continue
- It cuts billions in wasteful spending, including hundreds of millions from the Pentagon's budget -- typically a conservative sacred cow. 
- It denies taxpayer dollars for abortions in DC
- and blocks funding for transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees. 

Are the Democrats who control the Senate and occupy the White House really going to allow the government to partially shut down tomorrow by opposing this bipartisan bill?  Are they willing to go to the mat over $12 billion in cuts and two riders (abortion, Gitmo) that enjoy super-majority support among Americans?

Over the last 24 hours, Harry Reid has been prattling on about the need for hard choices in the Continuing Resolution discussion.  How persuasive is a call for "hard choices" from a man who (a) doesn't support virtually any of the actual hard choices contained in the Ryan budget, and (b) can't abide the "hard choice" of de-funding regional cowboy poetry festivals?

The President says he's prepared to shut down the federal government via his veto pen in the face of a reasonable, unobjectionable, time-buying bipartisan gambit.  Go ahead, Mr. President.

UPDATE:  Democrats have been arguing that the problem with GOP-supported CR proposals is the policy riders attached to them.  Politico notes that Democrats haven't objected to certain policy riders in the past...their own ones.

UPDATE II:  Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell reacts with dismay to the president's veto threat:

?There is nothing in the bipartisan troop funding bill that the House passed today that has not already been agreed to by Democrats in Congress, or requested by the administration. It funds our troops at a time when our military is engaged in three overseas conflicts, it cuts Washington spending by an amount that Democrat leaders have already said is reasonable, and the policy prescriptions it contains have been previously agreed to by nearly every Democrat in the Senate and signed into law by the President. And let?s not forget, this is the only proposal out there that keeps the government open. I also disagree with the President?s characterization of this bipartisan troop funding bill as a ?distraction.? If the President wants to shut down the government over this bipartisan troop funding bill, that is his prerogative. But I would urge him to reconsider his veto threat and join us in preventing a shutdown instead. This is the only bill that would do that. He should sign it.?

UPDATE III:  Senate Democrats are objecting to the new temporary CR partially based on its abortion-related rider, which blocks federal funds from paying for abortions in Washington, DC.  The problem with that argument? It turns out that 49 of them have voted for appropriations bills that contained the exact same language in the past.

Ball in Dems' Court

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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2011, 11:18:40 AM »
Just keep in mind.......Senate Democrats objecting to the new temporary CR partially, based on its abortion-related rider, which blocks federal funds from paying for abortions in Washington, DC. has 49 of them having voted for appropriations bills that contained the exact same language in the past.

So its a losing argument for them if Obama closes the Government down, based on that
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2011, 12:03:40 PM »
I'm guessing the MSM is likely not going to spin it that way.  In fact, I'm guessing no one from the MSM, outside of Fox perhaps, will even bring it up during questioning of any politicians.  Instead count how many times you hear "extreme", "teaparty", and/or "cruel" in either the questions posed or the responses given
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2011, 12:55:02 PM »
There are a whole passel of Tea Party Morons outside that Capitol shouting "SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN!".

So if it shuts down, guess who is going to catch the blame?
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Re: The left praying for a shutdown
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2011, 01:02:50 PM »
The one signing the veto, to the budget that would have kept it running.  And to the party that failed to even provide a budget to vote on
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