"Who's on 1st?"

[BT]

Let the Caliphate perform acts of terror and meet it with a non proportional response,
but lets not say they are guilty before they act. Clear enough for you?

Clear? Are you kidding?
We are to greet al-Qaeda fighters in Libya with an "open mind"?
Lets not say they are guilty before they kill us?....Just wait until they do?
Lets not prejudge the Taliban since they only sheltered Bin Laden before 9/11?
Ridiculous analogies to Jews in Israel....hardly!
Since when have radical Jews crashed planes into the World Trade Center?
Since when have radical Jews blown up  Russian schools, trains, planes full of innocents?
Since when have radical Jews attacked hotels in India and massacred targeted innocent people?
Since when have radical Jews blown up trains targeting innocents in Spain and England?
Since when have radical Jews blown up nightclubs in Bali?
Since when have radical Jews attempted to ignite underwear bombs on planes full of people?
Since when have radical Jews attempted to ignite shoE bombs on civilian airlines?
Since when have radical Jews attempted to blow up Times Square?
Since when have radical Jews attempted to blow up buildings in Dallas?
Since when have radical Jews crashed planes into the Pentagon?
Since when have radical Jews crashed planes in fields in Penn?
Since when have radical Jews attacked girls schools just because they were in school?
Since when have radical Jews beheaded reporters and others innocents on camera?
Since when have radical Jews killed thousands of Americans in a Jihad?
Since when have radical Jews chanted Death To America?
Ect...times 10,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

[BT]

Are Al Queda members good Muslims?

Not in my opinion, but feel free to give them the "benefit of the doubt" if you wish.

Why not? What would the definition of a good christian or jew be that would differ from that of a good muslim.

Is it possible to use terror and still believe in God?

Human beings can pretty much believe anything they wish to.
I am pretty sure Hitler believed he was doing good...probably Manson as well.

That wasn't my question. The question was whether religious beliefs Christian, Jewish, Muslim would be in conflict with acts of terror.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Bible describes all sorts of murders, massacres and exterminations of entire tribes (such as the Malekites) that were carried out presumably on the orders of Jehovah. The Koran does the same.

Belief in God does not pose a deterrence to murder. I hardly think that WWI and WWII were exclusively carried out by atheists.

[Christians4LessGvt]

But there's your problem BT
And it is a deadly one for your continued flawed logic of moral equivalence to defend the undefendable
Scores count.....
OK BT you can with a google search come up with one example.....
The score of Radical Islam targeting innocents is something like 10, 0000 to 1 (over 50 years ago!...lol)
maybe with more Googling you can come up with even a 10,000 to 10 score
Thats still a horrible score thus a horrible analogy
Your analogy logic doesn't work because reality is what it is.
Next?

[BT]

But there's your problem BT

Actually i'm not the one with the problem.

You want to equate the actions of members of a group  as indicative of the group as a whole. I don't. 

Let me give you an example.

You are worried that because the Libyan protesters have some Al Queda soldiers in their ranks that it follows that the "revolution" in Libya is an Al Queda takeover. I disagree.

During the American revolution we had French help.
Do we speak French?

Polish Nobleman Casimir Pulaski saved Washington's life. Was a America then a Polish Colony?

BTW what was the terror history of the Ottoman Empire, the last real Caliphate.
How does it compare to the reign of the Holy Roman Empire?

Does history really back your preconceived notions?

[Xavier_Onassis]

"Christians" appears to have a rather provincial view of world politics. To him, it seems to be us (the civilized) vs. them (the evil terrorists) for each and every issue.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Why not? (Al Queda members good Muslims?)

Why are Al Queda not "good Muslims"?
I dunno BT you tell me....lol
Maybe they are.....if Al-Queda are "good Muslims"...I guess that says alot about Islam...no?

BT Was it "good" to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center?
and to borrow a phrase from you...if it was not "good"..."why not"?

Like I said.... Hitler thought he was a "good German".
Some people (Islamist) think "good" is targeting and killing innocent people.
obviously some people (Islamist) see it as "good" flying planes into the World Trade Center
obviously some people (Islamist) see it as "good" blowing up innocent people at schools, hotels, trains, airports
obviously some people (Islamist) see it as "good" beheading Infidels (people that dont accept Islam)

What would the definition of a good christian or jew be that would differ from that of a good muslim.

It would not differ....(if in fact Islam is a religion which I am still not sure about)

That wasn't my question.

I answered your question.
You are now altering or changing the question which I will be glad to answer again.
But dont tell me that wasn't the question & then add a different question pretending that was there the first time

"The question was whether religious beliefs Christian,
Jewish, Muslim would be in conflict with acts of terror"

Ok this is the new altered question.
And once again basically the same answer.
Human beings are free to believe whatever they want.
There are a handful of "Christians" that use violence against abortion doctors....and they dont see a conflict.
But it's a Christian handful vs an Islam thousands....again recent history score isnt even close.
Thats why Islam has a MAJOR problem as compared to other religions.
But you wanna pretend the score doesnt matter...that a few is eqivalent to thousands....
It's bogus analogy....in an attempt to defend the undefenable.
The headlines everyday...day after day....weaken your argument.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Actually i'm not the one with the problem.

Yeah you have a HUGE problem of defending the undefendable.

You want to equate the actions of members of a group
as indicative of the group as a whole. I don't.

I want to equate reality with reality.
Islam does have a MAJOR violence problem within it.

If 10,000 Republicans started blowing up schools, weddings, planes, nightclubs, trains,
and after every bombing stated they were doing it because they were motivated by
Republican ideals.......dont you think Republicans would have a MAJOR problem?

You are worried that because the Libyan protesters have some Al Queda soldiers in their ranks
that it follows that the "revolution" in Libya is an Al Queda takeover. I disagree.

No not really.....The Libyan rebel leader obviously views Al Queda favorably
to me and most Americans I would think....that is very worrisome.

During the American revolution we had French help.
Do we speak French?

No but we have been and are pretty close with the French
Most Americans would not cheer people taking over countries that view Al Queda favorably

BTW what was the terror history of the Ottoman Empire, the last real Caliphate.
How does it compare to the reign of the Holy Roman Empire?

I live in 2011....thats what matters to me
Violence in 2011 matters to me and most citizens......not what happend hundreds of years ago

Does history really back your preconceived notions?

Recent history...ya know the world we actually live in....does
Dont believe me....pick up a newpaper everyday and read the front section
You'll see Islamics saying they are motivated by their religion killing a bunch of people
There is no other religion equivalent.....current day reality is what it is.

[Christians4LessGvt]

"To him, it seems to be us (the civilized) vs. them (the evil terrorists) for each and every issue.

please provide examples "for each and very issue"?

[BT]

BT Was it "good" to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center?
and to borrow a phrase from you...if it was not "good"..."why not"?

1. Where did I say it was good?
You are getting as bad a sirs.

If 10,000 Republicans started blowing up schools, weddings, planes, nightclubs, trains,
and after every bombing stated they were doing it because they were motivated by
Republican ideals.......dont you think Republicans would have a MAJOR problem?

There are 1 billion Muslims. What percentage are are involved with terror acts?

If 10k Republicans started blowing up buildings would that represent a larger or smaller percentage of the whole?

Yeah you have a HUGE problem of defending the undefendable.

What exactly am I defending?

No not really.....The Libyan rebel leader obviously views Al Queda favorably
to me and most Americans I would think....that is very worrisome.

Why? They are proven soldiers. The US was allies with the Soviets during WWII.
Would Germany have been defeated without their help?

No not really.....The Libyan rebel leader obviously views Al Queda favorably
to me and most Americans I would think....that is very worrisome.

I believe what he said was that they were good Muslims.
Just as I'm sure Eric Rudolph considered himself a good Christian and the IRA considered themselves good Catholics.

Just to be clear, i consider terror a political act, not a religious act. Perhaps that is where we part ways.

No not really.....The Libyan rebel leader obviously views Al Queda favorably
to me and most Americans I would think....that is very worrisome.

Most Americans would not cheer people taking over countries that view Al Queda favorably

Violence in 2011 matters to me and most citizens......not what happend hundreds of years ago.

Majority does not equal right. The majority elected Obama. Does that mean they were right?

Dont believe me....pick up a newpaper everyday and read the front section

Genocide comes in many flavors. Pol Pot wasn't a Muslim. Neither were the Rwandans.

[sirs]

BT Was it "good" to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center?
and to borrow a phrase from you...if it was not "good"..."why not"?

1. Where did I say it was good?
You are getting as bad a sirs.

Which of course, Bt will be unable to follow-up with any substantive example. But the accusation is out there, and that's all that apparently matters, or is needed, in this form of "debate". 

Where as I can provide numerous examples of gross misrepresentation (advocation of conservative bias in the media, Muslim intolerance/bigotry), on his part.  But we'll leave that for another thread

[Xavier_Onassis]

please provide examples "for each and very issue"?
=========================================
Gimme a break. No.

You tend to see every issue discussed here as entirely right (your side) and totally wrong (anyone else's side). But there have been too many issues mentioned to name them all.

Christians are good. They even want less government, just like you. Jesus made no comments on the appropriate size of the government, so it is hardly a Christian belief.

Muslims are evil. They want to kill you and all the rest of the Christians. The world would be better off without them or Islam.

Capitalism is inherently good, socialism is inherently evil.

Black people are generally evil (like Obama) unless they agree with you.
Condi Rice, Alan Keyes,  Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell and Allen West are all good Black people, because they agree with you. The other 90% of Blacks that disagree with you politically, they are just stupid, deluded puppets.

[BT]

I'll leave it to you to determine how many times you inferred my meaning instead of just reading my meaning as written and intended.

You do not control my meaning or intent. I do. Your perception of my meaning and intent is on you.

So when you say you inferred my meaning to = x, that does not mean my intent nor meaning = x, and insisting your perception equals the truth is a misrepresentation of my meaning.

[sirs]

As we can see, don't expect any examples of Bt's latest accusations aimed at sirs

[Xavier_Onassis]

Sirs appears to have the goal of attaining both perfection and utter vagueness simultaneously, and in a manner that can be described as uniquely snide.