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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2007, 04:34:05 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177753,00.html


The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.

"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.



DeLay Conspiracy Charges Tossed, Money Laundering Case Remains

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AUSTIN, Texas —  Rep. Tom DeLay isn't out of the legal woods yet and won't be able to reclaim his post as House majority leader in January even though a state judge on Monday dismissed conspiracy charges against the Texas Republican.

DeLay still faces a money laundering charge and conspiracy to commit money laundering charge brought by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle. Earle alleges that DeLay and two Republican fund-raisers, John Colyandro and Jim Ellis, illegally funneled $190,000 in corporate donations to 2002 Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature.

Under Texas law, corporate money cannot be directly used for political campaigns, but it can be used for administrative purposes.

Read the DeLay ruling (pdf)

Judge Pat Priest , who is presiding over the case against DeLay, issued the ruling after a hearing late last month in which DeLay's attorney argued that the indictment was fatally flawed.

DeLay lawyer Dick DeGuerin argued that one of the charges — conspiracy to violate the Texas election code — did not even take effect until September 2003, a year after the alleged offenses occurred. Priest agreed and dismissed that charge.

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But he did not agree with DeGuerin's argument that a check allegedly sent to the Republican National Committee by DeLay's political action committee for Texas state candidates was not actual "funds" and therefore did not constitute money laundering.

"If the state can prove that funds were obtained from corporate contributors by these defendants with the express intent of converting those funds to the use of individual candidates, or if the state can prove that these defendants entered into an agreement to convert the monies already on hand, though originally received for lawful purposes ... then they will have established that money was laundered," Priest wrote.

"The money would have become 'dirty money' at the point that it began to be held with the prohibited intent. Of course, if the state cannot establish that beyond a reasonable doubt, then the defendants will be entitled to be acquitted," Priest added.

The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.

"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.

"If he could have gotten it reversed ... he'd be much happier. The heaviest charges in terms of jail time ... those two charges are still here and they can't be resolved [through a judge's ruling], they have to be resolved through a jury trial," Napolitano said.

Despite the news that DeLay will still have to face a jury trial, his spokesman said the congressman is pleased with Priest's ruling.

"The court's decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle's numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were," DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said.

"Mr. DeLay is very encouraged by the swift progress of the legal proceedings and looks forward to his eventual and absolute exoneration based on the facts and the law," Madden added.

"We have received the opinion from Judge Priest and we are studying it," Earle's office said in a statement. "We have made no decision about whether to appeal any part of his ruling."

The 11-term congressman had hoped to have the case wrapped up before January so he could return to the leadership post he was forced to give up when the indictment came down in September.

Currently, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., has been serving as acting majority leader. The new session of this Congress starts in late January, and some rank-and-file Republicans have expressed concern that DeLay's legal troubles could distract from GOP objectives and its agenda ahead of the midterm election. However, DeLay is not required to announce he is stepping aside permanently, and a ruling could decide his fate for him.

By not stepping aside, DeLay does invite continued calls of a "culture of corruption" from minority Democrats, who continue to suggest that DeLay's troubles are indicative of an entire party plagued by cronyism.

"This is not a vindication. Congressman DeLay still faces very serious criminal charges. "Republicans' culture of corruption is alive and well," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

Priest said at the Nov. 22 hearing that it was unlikely a trial could be convened before the start of the new year. DeLay's next court appearance is likely to be sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day.

"In terms of the legal jeopardy that he will face in January, and in terms of his ability to solve this before the Republicans vote for leadership ... they have suffered a stinging defeat," Napolitano said of DeLay's team.

With DeLay's help, the GOP took control of the Texas House for the first time in 130 years, then pushed through a congressional redistricting plan engineered by DeLay that resulted in the election of Republicans to House seats, turning over the Texas delegation to Congress to a Republican majority.

FOX News' Jim Mills and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2007, 04:40:20 PM »

Thanks for validating my post, and confirming that the election law charges were dropped.
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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2007, 01:43:24 AM »
Plane,
Shame on YOU for comparing our justice system to a lynch mob. 
You can use Google as well as I can. You've forgotten the charges? Look'em up. I will not do it for you. 

You also have no understanding of the charges.

But you are happy just that a Republican is being attacked .


Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.


Democrats hang your heads .

Y'all are responsible for the most corrupt and perverted Congress and the most corrupt, arrogant and evil administration in American history and WE are supposed to hang OUR heads? Bwahahahaha!


No I expect you will continue to carry your tourch and keep in step.

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2007, 01:47:38 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177753,00.html


The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.

"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.



DeLay Conspiracy Charges Tossed, Money Laundering Case Remains

Tuesday, December 06, 2005

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AUSTIN, Texas —  Rep. Tom DeLay isn't out of the legal woods yet and won't be able to reclaim his post as House majority leader in January even though a state judge on Monday dismissed conspiracy charges against the Texas Republican.

DeLay still faces a money laundering charge and conspiracy to commit money laundering charge brought by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle. Earle alleges that DeLay and two Republican fund-raisers, John Colyandro and Jim Ellis, illegally funneled $190,000 in corporate donations to 2002 Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature.

Under Texas law, corporate money cannot be directly used for political campaigns, but it can be used for administrative purposes.

Read the DeLay ruling (pdf)

Judge Pat Priest , who is presiding over the case against DeLay, issued the ruling after a hearing late last month in which DeLay's attorney argued that the indictment was fatally flawed.

DeLay lawyer Dick DeGuerin argued that one of the charges — conspiracy to violate the Texas election code — did not even take effect until September 2003, a year after the alleged offenses occurred. Priest agreed and dismissed that charge.

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But he did not agree with DeGuerin's argument that a check allegedly sent to the Republican National Committee by DeLay's political action committee for Texas state candidates was not actual "funds" and therefore did not constitute money laundering.

"If the state can prove that funds were obtained from corporate contributors by these defendants with the express intent of converting those funds to the use of individual candidates, or if the state can prove that these defendants entered into an agreement to convert the monies already on hand, though originally received for lawful purposes ... then they will have established that money was laundered," Priest wrote.

"The money would have become 'dirty money' at the point that it began to be held with the prohibited intent. Of course, if the state cannot establish that beyond a reasonable doubt, then the defendants will be entitled to be acquitted," Priest added.

The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.

"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.

"If he could have gotten it reversed ... he'd be much happier. The heaviest charges in terms of jail time ... those two charges are still here and they can't be resolved [through a judge's ruling], they have to be resolved through a jury trial," Napolitano said.

Despite the news that DeLay will still have to face a jury trial, his spokesman said the congressman is pleased with Priest's ruling.

"The court's decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle's numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were," DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said.

"Mr. DeLay is very encouraged by the swift progress of the legal proceedings and looks forward to his eventual and absolute exoneration based on the facts and the law," Madden added.

"We have received the opinion from Judge Priest and we are studying it," Earle's office said in a statement. "We have made no decision about whether to appeal any part of his ruling."

The 11-term congressman had hoped to have the case wrapped up before January so he could return to the leadership post he was forced to give up when the indictment came down in September.

Currently, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., has been serving as acting majority leader. The new session of this Congress starts in late January, and some rank-and-file Republicans have expressed concern that DeLay's legal troubles could distract from GOP objectives and its agenda ahead of the midterm election. However, DeLay is not required to announce he is stepping aside permanently, and a ruling could decide his fate for him.

By not stepping aside, DeLay does invite continued calls of a "culture of corruption" from minority Democrats, who continue to suggest that DeLay's troubles are indicative of an entire party plagued by cronyism.

"This is not a vindication. Congressman DeLay still faces very serious criminal charges. "Republicans' culture of corruption is alive and well," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

Priest said at the Nov. 22 hearing that it was unlikely a trial could be convened before the start of the new year. DeLay's next court appearance is likely to be sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day.

"In terms of the legal jeopardy that he will face in January, and in terms of his ability to solve this before the Republicans vote for leadership ... they have suffered a stinging defeat," Napolitano said of DeLay's team.

With DeLay's help, the GOP took control of the Texas House for the first time in 130 years, then pushed through a congressional redistricting plan engineered by DeLay that resulted in the election of Republicans to House seats, turning over the Texas delegation to Congress to a Republican majority.

FOX News' Jim Mills and The Associated Press contributed to this report.





But Lanya you were estatic over Tom DeLay being prosecuted , before you knew anything at all about what the charges were.

The first charges were too flimsy to stand .

The second charges are still in play , but what should it indicate to us all that third charges are being looked for in new catagories?

I challenge you to attempt to imagine a Democrat being treated like this!

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2007, 02:04:04 AM »
Plane, there have been so, so many lawbreakers on your side of the aisle, I lose track.  Again: My poor memory does not make his criminal activity any more OK.
It's still not OK even if it was months ago, or if I don't remember all the statutes and charges.  OK?
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« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2007, 02:06:35 AM »
Plane, there have been so, so many lawbreakers on your side of the aisle, I lose track.  Again: My poor memory does not make his criminal activity any more OK.
It's still not OK even if it was months ago, or if I don't remember all the statutes and charges.  OK?


Numericly Democrats are the conviction champions of American history .


But your not paying attention to both sides.

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2007, 02:17:43 AM »
Plane, there have been so, so many lawbreakers on your side of the aisle, I lose track.  Again: My poor memory does not make his criminal activity any more OK.
It's still not OK even if it was months ago, or if I don't remember all the statutes and charges.  OK?


Numericly Democrats are the conviction champions of American history .


But your not paying attention to both sides.

Source! And if you go back before her were Repubs, it doesnt count. That was a looooong time ago.

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2007, 03:21:15 AM »
How far back would you want to count?


This makes a lot of diffrence because the manipulation of the sample can change the result.



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« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2007, 03:24:58 AM »
Since the 1970s, more than a dozen congressmen have been convicted in criminal court. Their cases and sentences include:

- Rep. Andrew J. Hinshaw, R-Calif., spent a year in jail after being convicted in 1976 of accepting bribes when he was county tax assessor. He lost the primary election and resigned at the end of his term.

- Rep. Charles Diggs Jr., D-Mich., was convicted in 1978 of operating a payroll kickback scheme in his congressional office. He served seven months of a three-year prison term. He was re-elected, then resigned in 1980.

- Rep. Michael Myers, D-Pa., served 20 1/2 months of a three-year prison sentence for accepting bribes from FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen. He was convicted in 1980 and expelled from Congress.

- Four other House members were convicted in the Arab businessmen bribery scandal: Democratic Reps. John Murphy of New York, Frank Thompson of New Jersey, John Jenrette of South Carolina and Raymond Lederer of Pennsylvania. Thompson and Murphy were sentenced to three years; Jenrette, two years; and Lederer, one year.

- Rep. Mario Biaggi, D-N.Y., was convicted in 1988 of extorting nearly $2 million from defense contractor Wedtech Corp. He resigned from Congress and served two years and two months of an eight-year sentence. He was defeated for re-election in 1992.

- Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-Ill., was sentenced in 1995 to five years in prison for having sex with an underage campaign worker. He resigned from Congress, then was sentenced in 1997 to 6 1/2 years for bank fraud and other violations. The second sentence, which was to run at the same time as first, was commuted in 2001 by President Clinton.

- Rep. Walter Tucker III, D-Calif., was sentenced in 1996 to two years and three months in prison for accepting and demanding bribes while mayor of a Los Angeles suburb. He resigned from Congress a week after his 1995 conviction.

- Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, D-Ill., pleaded guilty in 1996 to two felony mail fraud charges, lost re-election and served 15 months in prison. Clinton pardoned him in 2000.


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« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2007, 03:30:37 AM »
http://caught.net/prose/corrupti.htm


I wish you would allow me to use Arron Burr , he really was a Democrat.

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« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2007, 03:35:25 AM »
America, Mark Twain once said, is a nation without a distinct criminal class "with the possible exception of Congress."


http://www.larryelder.com/congress/congresscrooks.htm

include current Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla), whose trail of bad debts, lies to Congress and misstatements to the Internal Revenue Service have spawned a number of investigations. Then there is Rep. James Moran (D-Va) whose wife has charged him with abuse, who has assaulted other members of Congress on the floor of the House and is a former stockbroker whose judgment in trades is so bad he is broke from poor investments. The list also includes Joe Waldholtz, a con man and husband of former Rep. Enid Greene Waldholtz (R-UT) who kited more than a million dollars in bad checks and ended up in prison.

 
Others, like former Ohio Senator John Glenn, have driven creditors into bankruptcy because of unpaid debts left over from aborted Presidential campaigns. Even millionaire Senator Ted Kennedy has left a trail of unpaid debts from past campaigns.

 
In recent years, members of Congress have gone to jail for child molestation, fraud and other charges.
Our research found 117 members of the House and Senate who have run at least two businesses each that went bankrupt, often leaving business partners and creditors holding the bag. Seventy-one of them have credit reports so bad they can't get an American Express card (but as members of Congress, they get a government-issued Amex card without a credit check).

 
Fifty-three have personal and financial problems so serious they would be denied security clearances by the Department of Defense or the Department of Energy if they had to apply through normal channels (but, again, as members of Congress they get such clearances simply because they fooled enough people to get elected).


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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2007, 03:56:10 AM »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aatBrI7b__DY&refer=us


This one is intresting for both parties.




The real point is that the party that is less examined for corruption will be be better home for corruption.

The party that has more power will be the party that is a more lucretive home for corruption.


In Web searching for Congresscrooks , I did find that there were plenty of Democrats and also no shortage of Republicans , it is a good idea to sweep ones own house , but you certainly can depend on your enemys to find the dirt you have missed.

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2007, 04:19:39 AM »

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Re: Quote of the year , already
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2007, 11:28:19 AM »
Since the 1970s, more than a dozen congressmen have been convicted in criminal court. Their cases and sentences include:

- Rep. Andrew J. Hinshaw, R-Calif., spent a year in jail after being convicted in 1976 of accepting bribes when he was county tax assessor. He lost the primary election and resigned at the end of his term.

- Rep. Charles Diggs Jr., D-Mich., was convicted in 1978 of operating a payroll kickback scheme in his congressional office. He served seven months of a three-year prison term. He was re-elected, then resigned in 1980.

- Rep. Michael Myers, D-Pa., served 20 1/2 months of a three-year prison sentence for accepting bribes from FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen. He was convicted in 1980 and expelled from Congress.

- Four other House members were convicted in the Arab businessmen bribery scandal: Democratic Reps. John Murphy of New York, Frank Thompson of New Jersey, John Jenrette of South Carolina and Raymond Lederer of Pennsylvania. Thompson and Murphy were sentenced to three years; Jenrette, two years; and Lederer, one year.

- Rep. Mario Biaggi, D-N.Y., was convicted in 1988 of extorting nearly $2 million from defense contractor Wedtech Corp. He resigned from Congress and served two years and two months of an eight-year sentence. He was defeated for re-election in 1992.

- Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-Ill., was sentenced in 1995 to five years in prison for having sex with an underage campaign worker. He resigned from Congress, then was sentenced in 1997 to 6 1/2 years for bank fraud and other violations. The second sentence, which was to run at the same time as first, was commuted in 2001 by President Clinton.

- Rep. Walter Tucker III, D-Calif., was sentenced in 1996 to two years and three months in prison for accepting and demanding bribes while mayor of a Los Angeles suburb. He resigned from Congress a week after his 1995 conviction.

- Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, D-Ill., pleaded guilty in 1996 to two felony mail fraud charges, lost re-election and served 15 months in prison. Clinton pardoned him in 2000.


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So you prove how charges can  be manipulated by posting a manipulated list by the biggest RW liars of all, the FreeRepublic? Dont you ever read anything truthful?

Your "list " didnt include Duke Cunningham http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1667009&page=1 or Bill Janklow http://www.sptimes.com/2003/12/09/Worldandnation/Congressman_convicted.shtml among many others, I dont know why they even included one Repub. Maybe to fool you?
Full list here:
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/corrupt.txt

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« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2007, 11:33:45 AM »
Full list here:
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/corrupt.txt

Quite a few Dems on that list as well. Didn't keep count, but they could have been the majority of that list as well.

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