Is Obama trying to hide something on his birth certificate?

[Xavier_Onassis]

can a person be magna cum laude  with affirmative action? pretty sure it doesn`t work that way and his background has no real connections.
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No. Honorary degrees are based on grades, and are issued from the Dean's Office.

Affirmative action, when it has been used in colleges, is used only on admissions. Basically, they add a certain number of points to SAT scores. There is no evidence whatever that Columbia or Occidental do this, as all the exclusive colleges get plenty of minority applicants that have quite high scores.

[R.R.]

Grade inflation at elite universities has been a hot topic for years. Last March, a faculty forum on grading policy revealed that the number of A?s given at Columbia has increased by 22.2 percent in the past 12 years.

?While grade inflation occurs at both private and public universities, it might be more prevalent at Ivy League schools to help the schools preserve their brand name and keep their edge,? Rebecca Chan, CC ?12, said. ?Parents don?t want to pay to have their kids get failing grades.?

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2008/12/01/over-past-12-years-grade-inflation-increases

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Unfortunately, the answer is yes. Obama could have graduated magna cum laude while being admitted with affirmative action.

[Kramer]

Grade inflation at elite universities has been a hot topic for years. Last March, a faculty forum on grading policy revealed that the number of A?s given at Columbia has increased by 22.2 percent in the past 12 years.

?While grade inflation occurs at both private and public universities, it might be more prevalent at Ivy League schools to help the schools preserve their brand name and keep their edge,? Rebecca Chan, CC ?12, said. ?Parents don?t want to pay to have their kids get failing grades.?

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2008/12/01/over-past-12-years-grade-inflation-increases

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Unfortunately, the answer is yes. Obama could have graduated magna cum laude while being admitted with affirmative action.

He's had 18 months with our economy so I give him an F.

[kimba1]

I just google to seen if he was in afirmative action and all of it is speculation. also his background has very few people of influence to get him this far. borne in hawaii raised in indonesia not exactly the most comman of upbringing

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is pretty clear that he was not graduated magna cum laude because of affirmative action. Affirmative action only applies to admissions, not to academics.

The accreditation agencies require that each student be issued a course syllabus in which the way grades will be determined in detail, and it is assumed that all students will be treated equally. Where there is grade inflation, it generally means that students will get a C rather than a D, or a B rather than a C. Grade inflation applies to all students. Professors do not award bonus points for students being Black, Jewish,  Chinese, White or whatever.

It is very unlikely that affirmative action caused Obama to graduate magna cum laude. Again. this  depends entirely on grades and is issued by the chief academic officer (Dean, VP for Academic Affairs, Provost: the title varies).

[R.R.]

I just google to seen if he was in afirmative action and all of it is speculation.

No it is not speculation. Obama himself has admitted it. Obama said: "I must say, however, that as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career, and as someone who may have benefited from the Law Review?s affirmative action policy when I was selected to join the Review last year"
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_i_personally_benefitted_from_affirmative_action/

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Sadly, Obama must release his college grades. The media has pulled a fast one on us. They did not vet Obama the last time he ran. We need to know how somebody who did poorly in school got into Columbia and Harvard.

[Xavier_Onassis]

He may have done less than well his freshman year in undergrad school. That is unrelated to his grad school grades.

No other president has submitted his college transcripts, or even been asked to. This is simply harassment to please the racists.

[sirs]

Just gotta love that built in knee jerk use of the race card.  Any and all criticism of Obama can't be due to policy or positions....it has to be because he's black.  Again reminds me of that Survivor episode last week

It also reminds me of a recent class-action lawsuit against the state of CA by advocates of incarcerated criminals, sueing the state for their unconstitutional act of seperating inmates based on race.  Ignoring of course that 99% of the time, when inmates are seperated its because of gangs fighting other gangs, with it largely black gangs fighting aginst hispanic gangs, so when they get seperated, it can't be helped that they are seperated by race.  Apparently that's not stopping this ridiculous class action lawsuit from being brought forth

THAT is far more the reason the state is in the state that its in, with the money this state is having to pay for in both per prisoner expense, and in the fabulous salaries/pensions/perks the guards now get, and not some commentary about one bad joke

[Xavier_Onassis]

The lawsuit brought by prisoners vs the state of California is totally unrelated to Obama and affirmative action. It makes sense to segregate prisoners in order to prevent them from killing one another, and I expect that any judge would rule against this.

When you are talking about affirmative action and Obama's school days, you are referring to what was going on in the 1980's.
He was elected by a lot of White people and in his election, affirmative action did not apply.

[sirs]

I never said they were "related".  I said they "remind" me of the commonality of the knee jerk use of the race card, especially when race has prescious little to do with the claims, be it criticism of Obama or supposed unconstitutional seperating of inmates

[kimba1]

actually this issue should n`t of been brought up at all

bush a Harvard MBA was questioned, Clinton`s Rhodes scholar was questioned also. both while serving as president.

the subject of education should of been alot more thorough during election with these precedence

[Xavier_Onassis]

What happens if you make transcripts and such a requirement is that every professor and classmate will be interviewed, and anything and everything negative will be used to discredit the candidate, as was done with every swift boat sailor that ever even met John Kerry. In the past, this did not happen, because records were stored on paper in locked offices and stealing them would result in an arrest for breaking and entering.

I really doubt that this will make for us electing better presidents. Truman was certainly not the worst president, but he never attended any college at all. Reagan went to a rather undistinguished college in Illinois.

[Kramer]

It is pretty clear that he was not graduated magna cum laude because of affirmative action. Affirmative action only applies to admissions, not to academics.

The accreditation agencies require that each student be issued a course syllabus in which the way grades will be determined in detail, and it is assumed that all students will be treated equally. Where there is grade inflation, it generally means that students will get a C rather than a D, or a B rather than a C. Grade inflation applies to all students. Professors do not award bonus points for students being Black, Jewish,  Chinese, White or whatever.

It is very unlikely that affirmative action caused Obama to graduate magna cum laude. Again. this  depends entirely on grades and is issued by the chief academic officer (Dean, VP for Academic Affairs, Provost: the title varies).

Grades are discretionary and liberals infest our teaching positions. check this out: liberal teacher thinks young black man, being black got the shaft in life, so she gives him and A+ over a deserved C-. This is how it can happen. Or on the other side of the coin you have a young white male Christian born with a silver spoon (in liberal teachers imagination) so why not mess with him and give him an F.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is how it can happen. Or on the other side of the coin you have a young white male Christian born with a silver spoon (in liberal teachers imagination) so why not mess with him and give him an F.
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In 40 years as a professor I have never heard of anything like this happening. You do not mess with people, especially influential ones, by treating their children unfairly.

Just because some twisted, demented idea comes to your mind does not mean that actual professional people do this sort of crap.

I used a numeric system of calculating grades and handed out a sheet at the beginning of each semester to allow any student to calculate his/her own grades. I treated each and every student exactly alike. And so did most of my colleagues.

[Kramer]

This is how it can happen. Or on the other side of the coin you have a young white male Christian born with a silver spoon (in liberal teachers imagination) so why not mess with him and give him an F.
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In 40 years as a professor I have never heard of anything like this happening. You do not mess with people, especially influential ones, by treating their children unfairly.

Just because some twisted, demented idea comes to your mind does not mean that actual professional people do this sort of crap.

I used a numeric system of calculating grades and handed out a sheet at the beginning of each semester to allow any student to calculate his/her own grades. I treated each and every student exactly alike. And so did most of my colleagues.

so tell me that my scenario is 100% impossible! Tell me tell me tell me...