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Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« on: May 04, 2011, 02:49:46 AM »
It would appear that some important intel, vital to eventually tracking down Bin Ladin's where-abouts, was aquired thru.....drum roll...."enhanced interrogations".  *GASP*.  Yep, all the credit Obama is now taking in killing (will address that other conundrum in a moment) Bin Ladin, making this country more safe in the long run, could not have occurred without the techniques that were branded by this same CnC as having made us less safe.  Hmmmmmmmm

Add to that, I thought these terrorists were obliged to have a trial.  Where does Obama get off authorizing deadly force against an unarmed man.  You'd think this was a war or something.  Oh wait.....IT IS        8)
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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2011, 10:34:48 AM »
The fact is that Obama did not approve this torture. Any government is going to use all the valid information it possesses to carry out operations and to save lives.

It is not clear at all that any intel gathered in 2006 had a thing to do with this operation: just some nut on O'Reilly, and O'Reilly trying to jack up his ratings.

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2011, 11:10:01 AM »
Wow, I never realized Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA choice, is just some nut.  More of Obama's piss poor judgement on display again?
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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 11:22:12 AM »
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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 11:22:59 AM »
The fact is that Obama did not approve this torture. Any government is going to use all the valid information it possesses to carry out operations and to save lives.

It is not clear at all that any intel gathered in 2006 had a thing to do with this operation: just some nut on O'Reilly, and O'Reilly trying to jack up his ratings.

Bill O wants to jack up ratings.
Barry O wants to do the same.

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 11:24:54 AM »


Most Americans (libs & conservatives) either see it that way or deep down inside know that's the case.

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 01:06:56 PM »
Obama has never stated that he wants any of the credit.

This operation was not an ongoing one, it was deliberately started by Obama.

You clowns just cannot see anything Obama does as worthy of admiration.
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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 02:31:07 PM »
Obama has never stated that he wants any of the credit.

This operation was not an ongoing one, it was deliberately started by Obama.

You clowns just cannot see anything Obama does as worthy of admiration.

in his Sunday night speech how many times did his teleprompter tell him to say 'I'?

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 02:35:31 PM »
He did mention Bush once, I do believe
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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 04:21:59 PM »
He did mention Bush once, I do believe

the people know the truth here!

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 07:54:21 PM »
President Obama could have made much of his base happy shutting down Bush programs, he stuck with Bush policys when they were the best choice he was presented, I think he deserves some credit for making the right choice even when the wrong choice was his friends favoriate.

  Senator Obama as a canadate stated he would get Osama Bin Laden even if he was in Packistan, at the time I thought this a rash promise , but I was wrong he has done exactly this and the shame is more for Packistan for OBL being there than on the US for invadeing for him.

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 08:10:29 PM »
Can you believe that the UN appears now to be complaining that America may have violated bin Laden's Human rights?
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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 08:12:33 PM »
Can you believe that the UN appears now to be complaining that America may have violated bin Laden's Human rights?

Fine, lets let them make this criticism, they will seem rediculous.

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 08:13:03 PM »
Can you believe that the UN appears now to be complaining that America may have violated bin Laden's Human rights?

yes,

I couldn't believe it if they didn't!

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Re: Interesting Conundrum facing Obama & DC Dems
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2011, 01:27:11 PM »
Truth vs Ideology

Frustrating! That's the appropriate word for what is happening in the wake of the Osama bin Laden raid. Besides the precision of the Navy SEALs, the big story to emerge from the action is that coerced interrogation gave the CIA vital information used to track bin Laden to his lair. Current CIA Chief Leon Panetta has confirmed that.

Of course, that exposition is embarrassing to the left, including President Obama, Vice President Biden and Secretary of State Clinton, who are all on record as saying coerced interrogation does not work. Apparently, they were wrong in a big way.

The nails-on-the-blackboard part of this story is that some liberal pundits are trying to deny the undeniable. The spin they are using is that a "mosaic" of intelligence led the CIA to bin Laden. It was not just waterboarding or whatever. To paraphrase Panetta: We'll never know if we could have gotten the same intel without the water.

That's true, but who cares? It is the duty of the federal government to protect Americans from harm. And that's what the Bush administration did when it signed off on coercive questioning.

The record shows that just three men were waterboarded:
Khalid Sheik Mohammed,
Abu Zubaydah,
Rahim al-Nashiri
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all al-Qaida big shots.
Under duress, KSM gave up vital information that crippled his terror group and ultimately led U.S. authorities to watch bin Laden's top Pakistani courier. Eventually, that man led the CIA to the compound outside Islamabad.

But still, the far left won't budge. No matter what the facts are about the effectiveness of coerced interrogation, they will deny them. Infuriating.

The sane policy going forward is this: The president and only the president should have the power to order coerced interrogation, including waterboarding, if national security is endangered or American lives are on the line. One man makes the decision, and his orders are carried out by an elite intelligence team answerable directly to him.

So if Obama doesn't want to order waterboarding, fine. That's on him. But the elected leader of the nation should have the power to make the decision.

It is ironic that many on the far left openly celebrated the death of bin Laden. So, guys, let me get this straight: It's OK for U.S. forces to shoot a terrorist in the head, but it's not OK to waterboard him if lives are in danger? Good grief.

It is long past time for Americans to reject ideology that endangers human beings. We live in a dangerous world chock full of doomsday weapons. Common sense should dictate how the federal government defines strategies to protect us. How many times have you heard ideologues say that coerced interrogation does not work?

Well, it does. Ask bin Laden. Wait, we can't.
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