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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2011, 01:31:51 PM »
Actually, the tax on tobacco and perhaps the tax on alcohol probably contribute to US society two ways: one, by contributing tax revenue, and two, by causing people to quit smoking and decreasing the incidence of deaths from lung cancer and cirrosis of the liver, which is an expensive way to die financed partly by taxpayers bearing the cost of uninsured people using public hospitals. The latter cost is not calculated into the equation.

7% of all Chinese die of tobacco-related diseases, but the Chinese government refuses to campaign vigorously against smoking because of the immense revenues from the profits of the state-owned tobacco company.

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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2011, 02:22:36 PM »
7% is kinda low, makes one think tobaco is not that bad at all. remember any kinda data about tobacco tend to get tweeked.
I say this because last month data say most americans are casduel instead of heavy smokers. and now docter ares saying lest start getting rid of smoking altogether.n stating aNY KIND OF SMOKING IS BAD.
I find this excessive and will question any research that says casual smoking kills.

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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2011, 02:35:52 PM »
Smoking causes not only lung cancer, but also heart problems, emphysema and bronchitis. I had one or the other every two years or so until I quit smoking in 1986 when I quit and have not had either since them.

Casual smoking is almost certainly dangerous, but less so than constant smoking. Most people who smoke are not casual smokers, anyway. Usually casual smokers do not live long enough to die of smoking related diseases,as they die from something else.

7% of Chinese is a huge number of people.
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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2011, 02:37:19 PM »
While abortion causes actual death, not a potential or hastening of it
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« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2011, 03:19:22 PM »
abortion is a social issue, until you teach PEOPLE it`s ok to have kids then abortion will subside. banning abortion but shaming people for having kids is not thesolution. but to be fair pro-life address it more than pro-choice. but not enough.

Ive know parents in elementry school forbbidning thier kids from playing with single mother kids. thats too cold for my taste

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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2011, 05:07:45 PM »
Abortion causes a fetus not to be born.

If you do not favor abortion, don't have one.

People are free to smoke and drink, I am not advocating banning tobacco or prohibition of alcohol, only that their use be limited by information campaigns and taxes.

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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2011, 05:47:08 PM »
Abortion causes the death of an unborn child.  Simple as that.  Perhaps Bt is correct, that taxing abortions will lead to the same measures you advocate in tobacco & alcohol taxes

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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2011, 06:28:23 PM »
Thread tangent......Hope in the Abortion Fight

In New York City, 41 percent of babies are aborted.
It's even worse than that, actually.

As the Chiaroscuro Foundation, a group that supports abortion alternatives, has pointed out: "Sixty percent of African-American pregnancies in New York City were aborted in 2009, the most recent year for which data is available. In a 10-year period beginning in 2000, more than 900,000 pregnancies in the city ended in abortion -- nearly one-eighth of the entire city population of just over 8 million."

Abortion, of course, is a hot-button word, bringing up all kinds of emotions in all kinds of people.

Even though it's legal, it's generally not considered a social good. Which is why groups that advocate for its ease of access -- and expansion -- typically go to great lengths to avoid the actual use of the word.

And, even though we may frequently avoid it at the dinner table and in political speech, there are some areas of consensus. For instance, even enlightened, progressive New Yorkers are shocked by the 41-percent statistic. Earlier this year, McLaughlin and Associates found that 64 percent of the city's residents think that number is shockingly high -- even 57 percent of self-identified pro-choice women agree.

So what's a desperate pregnant woman to do? If you live in New York, call the archbishop's office. Timothy Dolan has renewed a promise made by that great defender of human life, the late John Cardinal O'Connor: if you are pregnant and you need help, the Catholic Church will help you.

The Church has faced its well-publicized setbacks, but deep in the heart of its ongoing renewal is the commitment to the most innocent among us. It was a priority of the recently beatified Pope John Paul II, whose superior communication skills, fearlessness and love made it the premier human-rights issue of our day.

The awful numbers in New York present both a crisis and an opportunity. In part, to insist, as John Paul II was wont to, on a little truth.

Congress is getting in on the act. Shortly after Easter recess, the House passed a measure that would bar any taxpayer dollars from going to organizations that provided abortions. With that passage, the pro-life majority in the House codified the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits taxpayer funding of abortion, and has been a favorite talking point of abortion advocates who oppose further government action. But the long-standing amendment is actually a narrow funding restriction, which does not apply to all federal funding. If the House bill were to pass the Senate, the president would be presented with a bill that would, for once, cover all federal funding, permanently. The House's vote wasn't a dramatic attack on women's rights as claimed by the left, but a protection for American taxpayers who don't want to be financially contributing to abortion.

And yet it was "appalling," the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee insists. EMILY's List, which supports pro-choice candidates for office, warns that it is a precursor to the looming "dark ages," and that it is but "only one heinous facet of (the right's) war on women." Actually, it's mainstream.

An-under-the-radar book, "Beyond a House Divided: The Moral Consensus Ignored by Washington, Wall Street, and the Media" by Carl Anderson, made the point that at a time when eight in 10 Americans actually want to significantly restrict the legality of abortion, the doom-laden rhetoric about a simple piece of legislation is pure nonsense. It is now long commonplace to insist you're personally opposed even when you advocate for it. Even Democrats appreciate that, at least in a lot of their rhetoric. Maybe the debate over abortion funding can united instead of a divide.

So many of us -- especially those whose lives have been changed by abortion -- want people to know they can support life, and that, besides ending a life, abortion will hurt the mother, the father, and so many around them. And there are groups out there in the trenches, spreading the word and doing the work. People like the folks at Good Counsel maternity homes in New York dedicate their lives to making sure women have options.

In 1996, during the partial-birth-abortion debate, the late congressman Henry Hyde warned of "the coldness of self-brutalization that chills our sensibilities, deadens our conscience and allows us to think of this unspeakable act as an act of compassion." Outraged New Yorkers and a simple funding bill in the House are signs we're not dead yet.


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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2011, 08:06:27 PM »
Thread tangent......Hope in the Abortion Fight

In New York City, 41 percent of babies are aborted.
..........., deadens our conscience and allows us to think of this unspeakable act as an act of compassion." Op-ed
  Good article.

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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2011, 08:11:18 PM »
Thanks, Plane
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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2011, 09:08:31 PM »
I see taxing abortions as being clearly as unconstitutional as a poll tax. It means that the poor cannot purchase a service that is available to more wealthy people. Of course, to be declared unconstitutional, the case would have to be enacted into law by at least one state or other entity, challenged, and addressed by the Supreme Court . I see this as improbable.
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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2011, 10:06:23 PM »
I see taxing abortions as being clearly as unconstitutional as a poll tax. It means that the poor cannot purchase a service that is available to more wealthy people. Of course, to be declared unconstitutional, the case would have to be enacted into law by at least one state or other entity, challenged, and addressed by the Supreme Court . I see this as improbable.

What could we do to make Abortion less availible to the rich and poor alike?

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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2011, 10:32:57 PM »
I see taxing abortions as being clearly as unconstitutional as a poll tax. It means that the poor cannot purchase a service that is available to more wealthy people. Of course, to be declared unconstitutional, the case would have to be enacted into law by at least one state or other entity, challenged, and addressed by the Supreme Court . I see this as improbable.

Taxing abortions would be no more unconstitutional than taxing cigarettes and alcohol, which affects the poor more disproportionally than the rich. But that doesn't seem to bother the revenuers. All three purchases are elective.

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Re: Oil depletion allowance
« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2011, 02:52:24 AM »
seriously I just don`t see abortion being taxed a effective deterent.if cultural shame didn`t work how can finance. usually the cause of this situation override the concern of cost. so the tax gotta be excessively high to to work.

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« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2011, 09:54:29 AM »
seriously I just don`t see abortion being taxed a effective deterent.

   The Abortion could be taxed at 100.5 % of profit, that ought to do it.