Author Topic: why do Libs ok blowing Bin Laden's brains out in bed, but not waterboard him?  (Read 3852 times)

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The facts are they already had heard about the courier. When they asked KSM about him
he said he, the courier, wasn't important. But, something about the way KSM was talking about him, the courier, made the interrogators think he was trying to throw them off his track.

So, waterboarding KSM didn't produce the name, nor did KSM he give away any information on the courier when the name was brought to him. In fact just the opposite.

 


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not sure anymore either way about this
but I still learned something. the dude looks like a young ron jeremy


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The facts are they already had heard about the courier. When they asked KSM about him
he said he, the courier, wasn't important. But, something about the way KSM was talking about him, the courier, made the interrogators think he was trying to throw them off his track.

So, waterboarding KSM didn't produce the name, nor did KSM he give away any information on the courier when the name was brought to him. In fact just the opposite.

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Actually the facts are that Leon Panetta, CIA head, made it crystal clear that waterboarding facilitated and confirmed information integral to the taking down of bin Laden, via this courier.  Facts are also that it was an Iraqi capture that generated the original connection to the courier

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I never said one way or the other whether waterboarding played a beneficial part in illuminating bin Laden's where abouts. I said the waterboarding of KSM played not part in it.

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and someone intimately more connected and informed than yourself, that of Leon Panetta, says otherwise

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Put up the Panetta quote and source it.

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Been there, done that already, in the conundrum thread.  It was an interview (video even) he gave to Katie Couric
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Exact quote and source, otherwise forget it.
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Already provided.  You're the one trying to ignore it. 
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Found this transcript with yet an additional confirmation from that of CIA head Panetta, in an interview with Brian Williams:

NEW YORK, NY ? May 3, 2011 ? "NBC Nightly News" anchor and managing editor Brian Williams today spoke with Leon Panetta, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and nominee to be the next Secretary of Defense. The interview will air tonight on "NBC Nightly News."

On the role of interrogation:

BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here? It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got? I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

BRIAN WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes water boarding?

LEON PANETTA: That's correct.


(note, that if waterboarding had NOT been intergral in aquiring such information, Panetta would have made that crystal clear.  "NO Brian, waterboarding, especially on KSM, did not provide us with anything to go on.  Not even in KSM trying to misdirect us.  We managed to aquire our intel thru other, less invasive means", especially given who his boss is and advocates)
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SIRS it's pretty clear enhanced techniques played a part
and those that opposed the enhanced techniques
now want credit for the results of those techniques
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Yes....and no.  Yes, they want the credit, but no, they do want to acknowledge that the evil dreaded abhorrent waterboarding had anything to do with it.  Which is why they'll either ignore the facts, or try their hand at revisionist history
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Absolutely nothing in those quotes to indicate that the waterboarding of KSM played a role in finding bin Laden's courier. Now, did waterboarding play a role in this particular affair regarding other detainees? I don't know. I doubt we ever will know.


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Nice "Xo-like twisting" of the facts.  Who claimed that waterboarding played a role in "finding" the courier??  anyone? anyone??  The facts were in how waterboarding was intergal in helping to confirm and identify the courier, not "locate him specifically"

By all means, keep up ignoring the facts.  Keep on ignoring the CIA head.  You obviously know far more than the current head of the CIA.   And we can't be having them pesky facts get in the way of a good preconceived notion of what is, is
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Continue to worship waterboarding. They don't seem to be doing it anymore. And President Obama was more successful in eliminating bin Laden than Bush.

Helping to confirm the courier: how is that different from finding him?



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