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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2011, 12:49:37 PM »
Common claims that the "cop killer" is innocent of killing the cop.

So he is not supporting the killing of cops, but the false accusation that this specific individual did, actually, kill a cop.

There is no indication that he was invited to the White House to advocate killing cops, or even to discuss this issue in any way.

This is a non-issue, useful only as fodder for Fox-o-philes of the more idiotic sort.
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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2011, 02:22:14 PM »

Common claims that the "cop killer" is innocent of killing the cop.


The court, and a jury, with intimate access to the evidence, that Common did not have, concluded otherwise


So he is not supporting the killing of cops, but the false accusation that this specific individual did, actually, kill a cop.

Can't be false, if there was a conviction.  Sure, the convicted could have been framed, or railroaded.  Please, by all means, demonstrate PROOF of a wrongful conviction.  Common's "say so" isn't going to cut it


There is no indication that he was invited to the White House to advocate killing cops, or even to discuss this issue in any way.

DEFLECTION ALERT.....no one claimed anything of the kind Xo, so stop pulling that crap


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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2011, 02:48:37 PM »
Common wrote a song. Is a song intended to be true, or is it fiction, like a novel, possibly true and possibly not, but written for the sake of art?

If no bulls were murdered indoors in Guernica, does that make Picasso a disreputable liar because he painted a bull inside what appears to be a building?

Joan Baez wrote a song in which Joe Hill speaks to her in a dream? Is this being untruthful?

If he is not going to sing this song in the White House, or even if he is, how does that make him undeserving of performing there?

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2011, 02:56:50 PM »
From Wiki, enough for reasonable doubt:

Sundiata Acoli, Assata Shakur, Trooper Harper, and a New Jersey Turnpike driver who saw part of the incident were the only surviving witnesses.[134] Acoli did not testify or make any pre-trial statements, nor did he testify in his own trial or give a statement to the police.[135] The driver traveling north on the turnpike testified that he had seen a State Trooper struggling with a Black man between a white vehicle and a State Trooper car, whose revolving lights illuminated the area.[134]

Shakur testified that Trooper Harper shot her after she raised her arms to comply with his demand, the second shot hitting her in the back as she was turning to avoid it, and that she fell onto the road for the duration of the gunfight before crawling back into the backseat of the Pontiac which Acoli drove 5 miles (8 km) down the road and parked, and remained there until State Troopers dragged her onto the road.[53][134]

Trooper Harper's three official reports state that after he stopped the Pontiac, he ordered Acoli to the back of the vehicle for Trooper Foerster?who had arrived on the scene?to examine his driver's license.[134] The reports then state that after Acoli complied and as Harper was looking inside the vehicle to examine the registration, Trooper Foerster yelled and held up an ammunition clip, as Shakur simultaneously reached into her red pocketbook, pulled out a nine-millimeter weapon and fired at him.[134] Trooper Harper's reports then state that he ran to the rear of his car and shot at Shakur who had exited the vehicle and was firing from a crouched position next to the vehicle.[134] Under cross-examination at both Acoli and Shakur's trials, Trooper Harper admitted to having lied in these reports and in his Grand Jury testimony about Trooper Foerster yelling and showing him an ammunition clip, about seeing Shakur holding a pocketbook or a gun inside the vehicle, and about Shakur shooting at him from the car.[51][107] Trooper Harper retracted his previous statements and said that he had never seen Shakur with a gun, and that she did not shoot him.[136]

Medical evidence

A key element of Shakur's defense was medical testimony meant to demonstrate that she was shot with her hands up and that she would have been subsequently unable to fire a weapon. A neurologist testified that the median nerve in Shakur's right arm was severed by the second bullet, making her unable to pull a trigger.[114] Neurosurgeon Dr. Arthur Turner Davidson, Associate Professor of Surgery at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, testified that the wounds in her upper arms, armpit and chest, and severed median nerve that instantly paralyzed her right arm, would only have been caused if both arms were raised, and that to sustain such injuries while crouching and firing a weapon (as described in Trooper Harper's testimony) "would be anatomically impossible".[51][148]

Davidson based his testimony on an August 4, 1976 examination of Shakur and on X-rays taken immediately after the shootout at Middlesex General Hospital.[148] Prosecutor Barone questioned whether Davidson was qualified to make such a judgment 39 months after the injury; Barone proceeded to suggest (while a female Sheriff's attendant acted out his suggestion) that Shakur was struck in the right arm and collar bone and "then spun around by the impact of the bullet so an immediate second shot entered the fleshy part of her upper left arm" to which Davidson replied "Impossible."[148]
Shakur's broken clavicle was a key element of her defense, and the implications of her injury for the differing accounts of the shootout were points of contention.

Dr. David Spain, a pathologist from Brookdale Community College, testified that her bullet scars as well as X-rays supported her claim that her arms were raised, and that there was "no conceivable way" the first bullet could have hit Shakur's clavicle if her arm was down.[149][150]

Judge Appleby eventually cut off funds for any further expert defense testimony.[51] Shakur, in her autobiography, and Williams, in Inadmissible Evidence, both claim that it was difficult to find expert witnesses for the trial, not only because of the financial expense, but also because most forensic and ballistic specialists declined on the grounds of a conflict of interest when approached because they routinely performed such work for law enforcement officials.[151]

Other evidence

Neutron activation analysis administered after the shootout showed no gun powder residue on Shakur's fingers; her fingerprints were not found on any weapon at the scene, according to forensic analysis performed at the Trenton, New Jersey crime lab and the FBI crime labs in Washington, D.C.[152] According to tape recordings and police reports made several hours after the shoot-out, when Harper returned on foot to the administration building 200 yards (183 m) away, he did not report Foerster's presence at the scene; no one at headquarters knew of Foerster's involvement in the shoot-out until his body was discovered beside his patrol car, more than an hour later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur#New_Jersey_Turnpike_shootout
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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2011, 03:20:31 PM »
Apparently not, for reasonable doubt
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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2011, 03:39:24 PM »
The physical impossibility of her being able to pull the trigger is not reasonable doubt?
The recanting of the testimony from the officer involved is not reasonable doubt?
The absence of gun shot residue is not reasonable doubt?

or are you claiming that juries are always right?



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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2011, 03:41:53 PM »
I was neither there nor privy to all evidence that the jury had.  Neither were you.  And they decided, beyond a reasonable doubt
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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2011, 04:06:22 PM »
Assata was not convicted of firing the shot that killed Trooper Foerster. She was convicted as an accomplice to his murder under New Jersey?s ?aiding and abetting? statute. Under New Jersey law, if a person?s presence at the scene of a crime can be construed as ?aiding and abetting? the crime, that person can be convicted of the substantive crime itself. Judge Theodore Appleby charged the jury that they were permitted to speculate that Assata?s ?mere presence? at a scene of violence, with weapons in the vehicle, was sufficient to sustain a conviction of the murder of Trooper Foerster.


Ergo she is not a cop killer.

And ergo O'Reilly got it wrong.

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2011, 04:30:20 PM »
Accomplice to a cop killer is plenty good for me.  A person holding down someone while another stabs them 30times, is good enough for me.  A person knowingly in on the planning, killing, and haboring someone that killed someone else, is good enough for me.  Definitely good enough for this Judge & Jury

Likely good enough for O'Reilly

ergo, we're both right.   
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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2011, 04:51:35 PM »
Right.

Someone who isn't a cop killer gets to be called a cop killer because it's close enough for you and O'Reilly.

The woman was physically incapable of pulling the trigger having been shot with her hands in the air.

The woman did not have GSR nor were her fingerprints on any of the weapons involved.

The cop who survived recanted his testimony saying she was a shooter.

Yet that doesn't matter to you and O' Reilly. Close enough .

Here's a clue, justice in this country should not be a game of horseshoes. And anyone who thinks it is, is a bigger danger to society than Common reciting at the Whitehouse.

Have you no shame?

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2011, 04:56:10 PM »
Look, Plane, ............very different directions.

So, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Further, I almost fell asleep writing it, so I won't be writing another one.


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You write very well, this is a great post and you are often very thought provoking. I don't need to agree to benefit , sometimes a deeper understandig of my own thoughts results from trying to justiofy them or even figure out why I do think the way I do so that I can explain it.

     I understand what you mean about Religion being deeply rooted and how most people have a lot of resistance to change, I don't think this is really bad but self examination requires knowing it is there whether you are trying to keep it or not. I am not worried that anything you or I might say could destroy God , people who get defensive are not defending God himself but only their idea of him which can't amount to a perfect understanding in any human being.

And ....  You wrote that sleepy?

I am impressed.

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2011, 05:28:23 PM »
Look, Plane, ............very different directions.

So, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Further, I almost fell asleep writing it, so I won't be writing another one.


BSB





You write very well, this is a great post and you are often very thought provoking. I don't need to agree to benefit , sometimes a deeper understandig of my own thoughts results from trying to justiofy them or even figure out why I do think the way I do so that I can explain it.

     I understand what you mean about Religion being deeply rooted and how most people have a lot of resistance to change, I don't think this is really bad but self examination requires knowing it is there whether you are trying to keep it or not. I am not worried that anything you or I might say could destroy God , people who get defensive are not defending God himself but only their idea of him which can't amount to a perfect understanding in any human being.

And ....  You wrote that sleepy?

I am impressed.

Yes it was good but I was a little disappointed with this part though: BTW, Sirs, you're a moron.

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2011, 05:36:28 PM »
Yes it was good but I was a little disappointed with this part though: BTW, Sirs, you're a moron.

I know what you mean .
One thing at a time .
First keep BsB then improve BsB.

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2011, 05:54:52 PM »
Yes it was good but I was a little disappointed with this part though: BTW, Sirs, you're a moron.

I know what you mean .
One thing at a time .
First keep BsB then improve BsB.

I learned my lesson and will be civil at all times, lest I make BT mad at me.

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Re: That piss poor judgement is spreading
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2011, 06:05:08 PM »
Yes it was good but I was a little disappointed with this part though: BTW, Sirs, you're a moron.

I know what you mean .
One thing at a time .
First keep BsB then improve BsB.

I learned my lesson and will be civil at all times, lest I make BT mad at me.

How will we know it is you?