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« on: May 16, 2011, 07:45:12 AM »
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Israeli Troops Fire as Marchers Breach Borders

Monday, May 16, 2011
By ETHAN BRONNER, The New York Times


JERUSALEM -- Israel's borders erupted in deadly clashes on Sunday as thousands of Palestinians -- marching from Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank -- confronted Israeli troops to mark the anniversary of Israel's creation. More than a dozen people were reported killed and scores injured.

With an unprecedented wave of coordinated protests, the popular uprisings that have swept the region touched Israel directly for the first time. Like those other protests, plans for this one spread over social media, including Facebook, but there were also signs of official support in Lebanon and Syria, where analysts said leaders were using the Palestinian cause to deflect attention from internal problems.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11136/1146951-82-0.stm?cmpid=news.xml



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Re: Israeli Troops Fire as Marchers Breach Borders
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2011, 09:55:16 AM »
Assad tried pro-Palestinian
Golan stunt to foil Egypt's Hamas takeover


DEBKAfile Special Report May 16, 2011


Israeli soldiers mend breached border fence

Syrian President Bashar Assad had more than one objective in bussing thousands of demonstrators to Israel's Golan border Nakba Day, Sun. May 15. Showing how easily he and his Hizballah partner could capture a village on the Israeli side of the enclave was only one. The other was to put a spoke in Egypt's wheel for transferring Hamas' command centers from Damascus to the Gaza Strip as part of its moves for taking the Gaza Strip and its Hamas rulers under Cairo's wing against Israel.

In the light of this contest, the case for renewing peace talks with the Palestinians, argued interminably between Israel's government and opposition leaders (despite the Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas's two-year refusal) has lost its relevance. The rejectionist Syria, Hizballah and Hamas are now calling the Palestinian shots, a fact which is not brought to the attention of the Israeli public.

Hizballah helped Syria organize the mass infiltration of Palestinians and Syrians into the Golan while using the same civilian Palestinian mob weapon to breach the Lebanese-Israeli frontier from Maroun a-Ras.

The fact is that Israel and the Palestinian Authority are adrift after losing Hosni Mubarak as their key Arab peace champion.

Saudi Arabia is up to its ears building a royalist Muslim bloc to counter the Muslim lineup President Barack Obama is in the process of fashioning with Israel's foe, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan. Israel's Binyamin Netanyahu and Abbas and their international lobbies have been shunted aside as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and Turkey bid for regional dominance.

That is why Nakba Day had such little impact on the streets of the West Bank Israeli Arab towns. The main arena had shifted Israel's external borders with Syria and Lebanon with regional connotations.

debkafile's military and intelligence sources disclose that, shortly between the Palestinian unity pact was

signed between Fatah and Hamas on May 4, Egypt's foreign minister Nabil Elaraby and intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Murad Muwafi gave Hamas' Damascus-based leader Khaled Meshaal a guarantee: Cairo would hold Israel back from hitting the Gaza Strip in reprisal for Hamas' missile blitz, if this radical Palestinian group promised to halt all attacks on Israeli targets, whether raids on the Gaza-Israel border fence, the planting of bombs or mortar and missile cross-border fire.
For the first time in the 44 years since Egyptian troops abandoned the Gaza Strip in 1967, Cairo took military responsibility for this coastal enclave against the Israeli Defense Forces, a commitment which put Israel's relations with Egypt on a new footing, very much at the expense of its military standing.

That deal, rather than Israel's deterrent strength, produced the calm prevailing for the past two weeks on the Gaza-Israeli front.

Systematically shunned by Mubarak, the deal was the hidden trigger which set in motion the thousands of Palestinians sent by Damascus and Hizballah to mob Israel's borders and move into the Israeli Golan Druze village of Majd al-Shams on Nakba Day.

This chain of events, starting with the Fatah-Hamas pact in May, could have been averted if only a month earlier in April, Israel had taken military responsibility for its own security and destroyed Hamas' ability to shoot missiles and mortars at will into southwestern Israel. A defeated Hamas would have been less attractive to Cairo as a prot?g? and as the object of pursuit by rival Arab champions who exploited the vacuum created by Israel's military and diplomatic passivity and adherence to such outdated mainstays as its bygone strategic partnership with Egypt.
Still, Israel's policymakers fail to grasp the relevance of the intelligence laid before them:  When Gen. Muwafi promised Meshaal to separate the Gaza Strip from Israel, which Israel had supposedly executed in its 2005 withdrawal from the territory he explained that he meant a "complete cutoff" whereas Israel had not gone beyond "disengagement."

Cairo has therefore undertaken not only to provide the Palestinian enclave with a military shield against Israel but also replaces Israel as the supplier of all its needs for fuel, flour, foodstuffs. Egyptian currency will replace the Israeli shekel as legal currency.
The Gaza Strip is therefore reverting to its pre-1967 Egyptian military occupation with. The fundamentalist Hamas is falling under Cairo's patronage, a step which neither Damascus nor the Iran-backed Hizballah can possibly accept because it displaces their influence with the Palestinians.

The failure at the top levels of Israeli government to appreciate the fallout from this contest left the IDF's Northern Command without the tools for predicting the Damascus-engineered assault on Majd al Shams.  None of the officers imagined Syria would use Nabka Day to hit two targets: Israel and Egypt.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 06:44:27 PM »
The new approach of the Palestinians is to use Gandhian protest techniques to shame the Israelis and force them to shoot innocent people.

There are new tactics that were used to bring down Milosovic that were used in Egypt to topple Mubarak.

http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Milosevic-October-5th-Revolution/dp/140396064X

We have yet to see whether nonviolent resistance bring about a Palestinian victory, but it is what I would do if I were Palestinian. Rockets and throwing rocks has proven not to work.

Victory will come when the Jews are shamed into giving back the land they have taken. Guilt works on Jews: it is a major part of the religion.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 09:00:24 PM »
Victory will come when the Jews are shamed into giving back the land they have taken.

what land have they "taken"?
also would shame work on you to give back the "stolen land" you sit on right now?
or do you just condemn others for being on "stolen land"?
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 09:34:37 AM »
I have explained this ad nauseum.

WWII was fought over the issue of colonialism. Since the UN Charter was signed, it is a no-no to conquer territory and claim it as your own.

The Israelis have hundreds of colonies in the West Bank. Israel conquered and then claimed the Golan Heights as a part of Israel. Everyone knows that some of those settlers (colonists) will have to leave when there is a two-state solution.

If there is no two- state solution, then the Palestinians must be given Israeli citizenship and the vote. Colonies and second-class citizenship are forbidden by the UN Charter.

Not even Israelis are as dense as you seem to be.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2011, 09:47:02 AM »
I have explained this ad nauseum.

And you have been wrong ad nauseum.
You refuse to deal with reality and live in a world of make-believe.

I Israel conquered and then claimed the Golan Heights as a part of Israel.

After the Six-Day War in 1967 the Israeli army captured the Golan Heights.
Thats what happens in war.
One sides loses and they may lose territory.

But you continue living in fanatasy land condemning Israel
as you sit this very moment on "stolen land"!
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 12:07:53 PM »
Land stolen after 1945 is illegal by the terms of the UN Treaty. Israel will have to return the Golan, eventually.

Personally, it makes no difference to me.

The Indians that once lived in this part of Florida are extinct, by the way. There has not been a Calusa in this area for 200 years.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2011, 01:06:35 PM »
Land stolen after 1945 is illegal by the terms of the UN Treaty.

It was not "stolen"....it was won in a war....just like most land of every nation.
But you wish to single out Israel and overlook pretty much everywhere else.
What a fraud!

The Indians that once lived in this part of Florida are extinct, by the way. There has not been a Calusa in this area for 200 years.

According to your definition the United States was "stolen" and should be returned
to it's "rightful owners"....I am sure there are decendents of the "rightful owners"
of where you sit on "stolen lands". But you are a fraud and wish to condemn
others for the same things you benefit from.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2011, 02:04:07 PM »
According to my definition, land taken by force after 1945 is illegally taken, a decision taken by a world organization that nearly everyone belongs to.

Morality changes with time. Israel knew the rules when it took the land. So they had better be prepared to return it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2011, 03:35:36 PM »
Morality changes with time.

Yeah sure XO....the "stolen" land you benefit from is ok because it was
pre-1945....screw the peoples that were massacred because it was
pre-1945 and that makes it all better and you can pretend you are guilt-free.
Is that sorta like slavery was ok before it was outlawed? Is that sorta like it
was ok to not allowwomen to vote before that was outlawed? Is that sorta
like it was ok to pollute lakes and rivers before it was outlawed?

Israel knew the rules when it took the land. So they had better be prepared to return it

Israel after being attacked got the Golan through war.
If you attack someone...you may get the shit beat out of you.
War has caused land to change hands all throughout human history.
Israel is no different.
That has and will continue.
Lands were "stolen" in Kosevo....will they be returned?
Will North Vietnam return the "stolen" land to "South Vietnam"?


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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 03:46:36 PM »
The "stolen lands" arguement is about as accurate as the "pro-choice" arguement....which is why the left continues to ignore reality, and perpetuate the erroneous above arguements.  PCSOP; Politically Correct Standard Operating Procedure
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Re: Israeli Troops Fire as Marchers Breach Borders
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2011, 03:51:42 PM »
SIRS....why you dont think XO is outraged by the lands
"stolen" from white farmers in Zimbabwe since it was after 1945?

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 03:54:39 PM »
I'm shocked, myself       8)
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 05:39:57 PM »
Who says I am not? Mugabe is a total incompetent flaming jerk, and even bigger jerk than Netanyahu.


However, the farmers of Zimbabwe are not in a country separate from the Zimbabwean government. This was not a case of one country colonizing another.
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