Obama throws Israel under the Bus

[Christians4LessGvt]

Was land an issue with the Soviets?

no and thats why your analogy once again is:

[Xavier_Onassis]

The US in bases in Kazakhstan or Georgia would be a territorial issue with the USSR, of course.

Israel will not negotiate over land because Israel wants it all.

[BT]

Was land an issue with the Soviets?

no and thats why your analogy once again is:

Yet you were the one who brought up land when your original post dealt with the Palestinians demonizing the Jews.

Reagan demonized the Soviets. Apples to Apples.

[sirs]

ISRAEL IS A JEWISH STATE...ergo, no recognition....in this lifetime, or any other apparently, by the Palestinians

Bt is wrong

Perhaps you can explain how Palestinian Authorities recognizing the State of Israel is not recognizing the State of Israel. Because they did recognize the State of Israel in 1993 and as far as i know they never rescinded that recognition. Not only that but they recognized the authority of the UN to create that state.

This semantical spin is utterly amazing.  Something I'd see coming from the left and MSM, but now BT is demonstrating a pretty impressive proficiency for it.  It's kinda like the John Kerry answer...the PA recognizes Israel, before they didn't recognize it, with the caveat that they currently don't.  The state of Israel IS a Jewish state.  Simple as that

Sirs is scrambling.

While BT is simply wrong

[BT]

Unfortunately for you, before you decided to move the goal posts in a futile attempt to dodge being wrong, you stated that the PLO and the PA never recognized the State of Israel. That has been proven to be blatantly wrong.

They may not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, but then Israel has never recognized Palestine to be an Islamic State, so i'm not sure why you claim that both parties have not recognized each other. Because they have.

[sirs]

The goals posts were never moved.  The truth remains the truth.  Get back to us when the Palestinian President accepts/recognizes the state of Israel, exactly how and where it is.  (read, no preconditions of mandated borders or what religion they can practice)

And last time I checked, not once have I ever heard Bibi proclaim "Israel accepts a Palestinian state, but will not recognize a Palestinian Islamic state.  Can't say the same for Abbas now, can you"  Care to share that smoking gun, you so desperately need right now?

[BT]

The goals posts were never moved.  The truth remains the truth.  Get back to us when the Palestinian President accepts/recognizes the state of Israel, exactly how and where it is.  (read, no preconditions of mandated borders or what religion they can practice)

And last time I checked, not once have I ever heard Bibi proclaim "Israel accepts a Palestinian state, but will not recognize a Palestinian Islamic state.  Can't say the same for Abbas now, can you"  Care to share that smoking gun, you so desperately need right now?

Been there done that

Does the US recognize Israel as a theocracy? And if they do is that constitutional?

[sirs]

No, you haven't actually.  Let's try this again?  Care to share that smoking gun, you so desperately need right now?.... Bibi proclaiming "Israel accepts a Palestinian state, but will not recognize a Palestinian Islamic state."  Something along those

Because we have the Palestinian President applying that precondition to Israel.

We accept Israel......as Israel, no preconditions, religious or otherwise, unless you can demonstrate such

That makes 2 balls in your court now

[BT]

What you fail to grasp is that for recognition to be reciprocal, both parties need to recognize each party equally. We have Israel recognizing the Palestinians as a governmental unit and we have the Palestinians recognizing Israel as a legitimate governmental unit.

Voila reciprocity.

For your claim that there was no reciprocity you would have to show where Israel recognized a facet of the Palestinian Government that The Palestinian Government did not return the favor with. Such as the religious make up of the parties involved.

I don't have to show Bibi doing that for the Palestinians, you have to show that he did and the Palestinians need to return the favor and recognize the Jewishness of Israel. Which they haven't and they won't for many reasons.

[sirs]

What you fail to grasp is the President of the Palestinians is on record as NOT RECOGNIZING ISREAL.  Now you want to try and play semantics in some half-assed effort to try and claim "see, sirs is wrong...they simply don't recognize a Jewish state of Israel", as if Israel is now required to change their religion to.....Islam perhaps, in order for the Palestinians to acknowledge them.  Then all would be hunky dory, right?

As I said, I have truth on my side.  You can keep trying to play the John Kerry game of how the Palestinians support Isreal while at they same time they don't support Israel, but your jig is up.  You can't demonstrate any similar rhetorical antics by Israel, because there are none, so you have to keep playing this When is a Jewish state not a Jewish state game.

Enjoy

[BT]

What you fail to grasp is the President of the Palestinians is on record as NOT RECOGNIZING ISREAL.

They are and have been on record as recognizing the legitimacy of the State of Israel since 1993.

Nothing they have said or done since then has changed that.

[sirs]

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Friday he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, adding that he was also opposed to population exchanges as part of any permanent peace agreement

That would make you wrong

[BT]

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Friday he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, adding that he was also opposed to population exchanges as part of any permanent peace agreement

That would make you wrong

Actually it does no such thing. Why do you think he is hesitant to characterize Israel as a Jewish Homeland, but has no problem recognizing the legitimacy of the State of Israel as defined by the UN?

[sirs]

Actually it does, since Israel IS A JEWISH STATE

[BT]

Is the US a Christian Nation?