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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2011, 03:23:35 PM »
Finally, you got something right...Israel has the most to lose...their very existance.  And since the other state of this supposed "2 state arrangement", has on its governing charter the death of the other state, Israel needs to do squat, as it relates to negotiations, until that situation changes.  Just hunker down, and defend, with the best lands positions you have.

Meanwhile, world opinion and US opinion is slowly turning against Israel, so the longer they wait the weaker their hand is.


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2011, 03:44:11 PM »
I don't agree, given the current facts and reality of the situation.  But I guess we're not going to agree on this
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2011, 03:51:48 PM »
It is likely that many European countries will vote to allow the formation of a Palestinian state; France, probably Germany, maybe even the UK. The people of Europe are supportive of the Palestinians cause, and sympathy is growing. It seems that the Palestinians are reading up on their  Gandhi and other passive resistance movements, and with digital cameras and phones in everyone's hands, the brutality of previous Israeli aggression against marchers will either be shown to all, or suppressed to avoid the IDF from looking like Stormtroopers. Note that Assad has not been able to keep footage of his troops' brutality from appearing in the media.

There is an emerging peaceful protest movement, and it is likely to be a lot more successful than the Intifadas.




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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2011, 03:59:15 PM »
The intifadas are over?

If the sympathy of the rest of the planet count for much then the intifadas were the cream in the Isreli coffee.

The result of the intifadas have been high unemployment , walls everywhere, and a loss of sympathy where there ought to be plenty.

You can excuse a lot of odd behavior if you are being shot at.

Would it be smart of the Isreleis to lower the walls a little ? Just enough to allow a few myrters a month thru, then the Palestinians would do a good job of becomeing repellant even if only a few of them were actually supportive of the intifada.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2011, 04:08:16 PM »
The intifada was not successful. The Hamas rockets are also not a good idea.

Civil disobedience and passive resistance are likely to be much more effective, because it will be shown on Al Jazeera for sure. The Israelis cannot muzzle Al Jazeera,and if it is on AJ, it will be on the rest as well. Youtubes, camera phones and instant transmission will be quite effective for the Palestinians, I think.

I recall in earlier times one Israeli woman would get a bruise from a rock thrown by some Palestinian, and they would post her interview, interview her husband, kids and parents and tell us all her name. There would be crying.

And four Palestinian kids that were gassed and shot dead, would be announced in a single sentence. No name, no anything.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2011, 04:23:56 PM »


I recall in earlier times one Israeli woman would get a bruise from a rock thrown by some Palestinian, and they would post her interview, interview her husband, kids and parents and tell us all her name. There would be crying.


This is true and is the exact reason that the Intifadas never had any hope of being fruitfull.

I think Gandhi was smart, he went to England and appealed to the very textile workers that the government was supposed to be economically protecting by forbidding textile making in India.

  This cut the legs out from under the English Imperial supporters, but he could have chosen to frighten the English out of India , the strategy that had failed in previous generations.


Mahatma K. Gandhi Visits Textile Workers Strike...



http://www.slideshare.net/GandhiFoundation/gandhi-a-life-in-pictures-presentation

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2011, 04:31:12 PM »
Previously, it was possible to censor the mistreatment of Palestinians. Now it is bound to be a lot more difficult. The Israeli Press is not like the press in China or Oman or Saudi Arabia: some Israelis like to think of themselves as humane and tolerant. It is a good place for Civil disobedience and passive resistance.

I think the intifadas got a lot of attention in other Arab countries, but not in the West. The Palestinians should create a MLK figure and something like the SCLC. A Nobel Prize would be likely, and eventually Netanyahu would be thrown out by the Israeli voters.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2011, 04:44:24 PM »
as Goldberg said, time is on the Palestinian side.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2011, 05:09:30 PM »
It is likely that many European countries will vote to allow the formation of a Palestinian state

And here's again the Kicker....SO WOULD ISRAEL.  However, no one seems to want to deal with the 500lb gorilla in the room


as Goldberg said, time is on the Palestinian side.

While defense and armament is on the Israeli's side.  Not to mention, the truth

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2011, 05:51:57 PM »
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While defense and armament is on the Israeli's side.  Not to mention, the truth

That only helps in time of war. A state created by the UN can be dissolved by the UN.

Anyone know where Czechoslovakia is now?

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2011, 06:08:07 PM »
The UN did not dissolve Czechoslovakia, nor did the UN form it. The Czechs and the Slovaks debated for a while about the terms of the union and eventually decided to become two friendly and separate nations.

Czechoslovakia was formed in 1919 under the Treaty of Versailles.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2011, 07:50:06 PM »
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While defense and armament is on the Israeli's side.  Not to mention, the truth

That only helps in time of war.

They ARE in a state of war


A state created by the UN can be dissolved by the UN.

Like that's going to happen with Israel.  Good thing they're in a state of war, and prepared with defense and armorment.  And FYI, Israel was created FAR before the UN was


Anyone know where Czechoslovakia is now?

Anyone remember the Holocaust?  Have we not learned from THAT tragic mistake??
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2011, 08:12:57 PM »
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And FYI, Israel was created FAR before the UN was

Source?

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2011, 08:17:29 PM »
Like that's going to happen with Israel.  Good thing they're in a state of war, and prepared with defense and armorment.  And FYI, Israel was created FAR before the UN was

Israel was created in 1947
The UN was created in 1945.

They are not in a state of war. That explains why fatalities in both Israel and Palestine are more due to traffic than aggression.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2011, 08:27:58 PM »
Like that's going to happen with Israel.  Good thing they're in a state of war, and prepared with defense and armament.  And FYI, Israel was created FAR before the UN was

They are not in a state of war.

Yea, because rockets, IED's, mass bombings, are all a part of normal block parties.  I mean, it happens all the time around here     ::)      News flash Xo, WE'RE in a state of war with militant Islam, and they merely used box cutters on us. 


That explains why fatalities in both Israel and Palestine are more due to traffic than aggression.

We have far more traffic fatalities as well.  Doesn't change our use of drones, misslies, or Navy Seals, on that enemy we're at war with


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And FYI, Israel was created FAR before the UN was

Source?

1) Bible

2) History

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UN Formation -- 1945  (which by the way, makes them only 2 years older than the supposed "officially regulated" state of Israel in 1947.  Hardly the authority in revoking the existence of Israel

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