Debunking myths about Israel

[Xavier_Onassis]

Is it as dead as White supremacy in the southern US?

Or southern Boston Mass for that matter.
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Probably deader. There was no war that wiped out White supremacists in the US.

WWII wiped out millions of Nazis, especially men.

Most opposition to Israel in Europe is based on what Israel has done, not on antisemitism.

[Plane]

Is it as dead as White supremacy in the southern US?

Or southern Boston Mass for that matter.
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Probably deader. There was no war that wiped out White supremacists in the US.

WWII wiped out millions of Nazis, especially men.

Most opposition to Israel in Europe is based on what Israel has done, not on antisemitism.

  Southerners got wiped out worse than Germans, sheesch what would it take to satisfy?
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The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:

Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000

        The leading authority on casualties of the war, Thomas L. Livermore, admitting the handicap of poor records in some cases, studied 48 of the war's battles and concluded:
        Of every 1,000 Federals in battle, 112 were wounded.
        Of every 1,000 Confederates, 150 were hit.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm

 Ten percent of all Northern males 20–45 years of age died, as did 30 percent of all Southern white males aged 18–40.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
population CSA territory 1860            Total 9,103,332  Slaves 5,582,222 Slaveowners 316,632

In 1860 the areas that later formed the 11 Confederate States (and including the future West Virginia) had 132,760 (1.46%) free blacks. Males made up 49.2% of the total population and females 50.8% (whites: 48.60% male, 51.40% female; slaves: 50.15% male, 49.85% female; free blacks: 47.43% male, 52.57% female).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America


Germany WWII
5,318,531 total casualtys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

German Population in 1939:  80,600,000+
http://www.feldgrau.com/stats.html

[Plane]

Most opposition to Israel in Europe is based on what Israel has done, not on antisemitism.

Why does matter to Isrelis?
How to tell the diffrence?

[Plane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Program

Hmmm ... didn't know that one.

But it does help demonstrate that Zionism is contempory with severe Jewish persecution.

I don't think that WWII would have ended antisematism in Europe by itself , there were lots of people who didn't like Jews but didn't join the looseing side.

What do you suppose accounts for the world wide reduction of anti-sematism?

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is less antisemitism because there have been major attitudinal changes in both Jews and Gentiles. The people who are alive today are not the same people and do not share the same attitudes. WWII, as I said, eliminated antisemitism as a viable political movement. Hating Jews was no longer taught in schools and churches, a higher percentage of country people moved to the cities and therefore come in greater contact with Jews. Of course, in Europe today, there are many fewer Jews around.

I recall in when I lived in Mexico, I used to wait for the bus at the Diana statue in Mexico City, a major bus transfer point. Every day, fancy cars would deposit well-dressed rich kids from Lomas de Chapultepec, San Angel and other fancy neighborhoods, and they would be picked up by  the buses of the Academia Hebrea and other Jewish schools. The Jewish school buses were all shiny and new and had the name of the schools lettered in Hebrew as well as Spanish, which, of course Mexicans do not read. The impression was "We are richer than you peons. We are Jews. We flaunt our superiority to all of you." Jews in Kansas City did not do this or leave this impression. I imagine that in Prague and Vienna and Berlin it was somewhat like in Mexico City. And of course, most Mexicans resented this bunch of rich foreigners flaunting their superiority. The Americans, the English, and other wealthy foreigners did not behave in this way, as the Mexican Revolution had taught them a lesson about how Mexicans react to undue gloating.

Of course, there was only a small amount of actual antisemitism, mostly limited to the Sinarquista movement and the occasional swastika scribbler. I has a couple of Jewish friends at my university who complained about these ostentatious "Safardistas", which is what they called the Orthodox, as the cause of a lot of bad feelings.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I was, of course, referring to White supremacy in the US at the time of the Civil Rights Act, NOT at the time of the Civil War.

The Civil War was not fought about White supremacy, it was fought over slavery, which is not the same thing.

The Germans did not own the Jews.

[kimba1]

I think confederates were not anti-semitic at all. I remember one of the generals was jewish. today is another matter

[kimba1]

http://www.jewishmag.com/112mag/confederates/confederates.htm

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Vice President of the Confederacy was Jewish. So were generals, officers ans soldiers on both sides. The Civil War was about slavery of Black people.  WWII was about several things, most notably the colonialization of Eastern Europe by Germany, of Albania and Africa by Italy and of China, Indonesia, Indochina, the Philippines and other Pacific areas by Japan. Eliminating the Jews did not require any war by Germany, as the Jews were largely helpless.

The current issue is the colonialization of the West Bank by Israel.

[sirs]

Land that they rightly took over, in defense of their very existence.  In hind sight, had Jordan never intervened, in '67, the West Bank would still likely be Jordanian, and not this hypothetical Palestine

[Christians4LessGvt]

Land that they rightly took over, in defense of their very existence.  In hind sight, had Jordan never intervened, in '67, the West Bank would still likely be Jordanian, and not this hypothetical Palestine

AMEN to that SIRS!

[Xavier_Onassis]

Israel will either return most of the WB or it will eventually cease to exist as a Jewish state.

[sirs]

Actually, if Israel does return most of the WB, it has a far greater chance of ceasing to exist, as a Jewish State

[Xavier_Onassis]

Actually, that is not true at all.  Transferring the territory also transfers the population that is hostile to Israel.

[sirs]

Actually, it is, since it transfers that hostile population, all the more closer.
Actually, it's not the Palestinians land at all
Actually, it was Jordanian territory, before they tried to move Israel into the Mediterranean, from those positions in the WB