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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #90 on: June 05, 2011, 05:14:35 PM »
Probably not the best PR:

BEIRUT (AP) - State-run Syrian television says 20 people were killed and 325 wounded by Israeli gunfire along the border in the Golan Heights.

The Israeli forces opened fire Sunday to disperse pro-Palestinian demonstrators who tried to cross into the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.

The Palestinians and Syrians were storming toward the border in a protest marking 1967 Mideast War, in which Israel occupied the Golan.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA_ISRAEL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-05-13-25-46

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #91 on: June 05, 2011, 06:03:44 PM »
Probably good that they had those lands to defend from, at least
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #92 on: June 05, 2011, 06:26:14 PM »
Arab newspaper: Why, Arab dictators are worse than the Zionists!
June 5, 2011
by Ed Morrissey

Via Carl in Jerusalem, this can almost literally be called a Road to Damascus moment ? or perhaps a Road to Hama moment, as troops loyal to Syrian strongman Bashar Assad are now surrounding the city where his father killed 10,000 people by dropping bombs on them.  The Dubai-based Gulf News, which has no problem running Holocaust-denial columns on occasion and accusing Zionists and Nazis of conspiring to create a Holocaust hoax, published a column this weekend in which a Syrian journalist is shocked, shocked to discover that Arab dictators are much more brutal than Israelis have ever been:
In fact, the Sudanese regime killed hundreds of thousands of its own people in Darfur. The so-called Janjaweed gangs in Sudan used to annihilate the people of Darfur like flies simply because the latter clamoured for their basic rights. An Arab satirist once commented that an Arab dictator would not accept the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza even as an appetiser! ?

The ongoing Arab intifadas have shown that some Arab rulers can beat the Israelis at their own game. An Arab website recently carried an opinion poll asking readers: ?Who will be a killioneer?? Sure enough, Muammar Gaddafi of Libya won the day. Not only did he kill a lot of his own people but also almost flattened many Libyan cities. It brought to mind western cities flattened by Hitler?s forces during the Second World War.

Take Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen. WikiLeaks has revealed that his ?chairmanship? gave the green light to American aircraft to bombard civilian areas to quell a local revolt. Add to this, of course, his brutal handling of the Yemeni revolution.

Other Arab despots are reported to have asked their security forces to aim their guns at protesters? heads. Have you ever seen an Israeli officer torturing a Palestinian civilian to death in the street for everybody to see? Definitely not. Many of us have seen that in some Arab towns lately.


While Arab journalists screech about the Gaza embargo as an affront to human rights, Faisal al-Qasim wonders where all of the concern goes when it comes to fellow Arabs in the Sudan, who have slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Darfur.  Where are the ?satirists,? Qasim wonders, when it comes to Arab atrocities?

Interestingly, al-Qasim mentions a lot of dictators by name or country, but even he seems reluctant to mention Assad or Syria by name at all.  In this avalanche of truth-telling and name-specifying, Assad is conspicuous in his absence from Qasim?s rant, especially given the ominous encirclement of Hama after the demonstrations and the dozens or perhaps hundreds of unarmed demonstrators murdered by Assad?s security forces.  Perhaps al-Qasim is reluctant to challenge Assad directly for personal reasons, like having family or friends still in Syria that could find themselves endangered by honest journalism.

Even so, al-Qasim tells Arabs that claims of Israeli brutality in the context of Arab treatment of their own people are just rubbish:
It is true that Israel is forcing an embargo on Gaza, but I do not think that the Israelis are preventing the Palestinians from getting their daily bread, whereas the security services in some Arab countries stopped cars carrying food from entering certain areas. Nor are the Israelis cutting off electricity, telephone and other communication services from houses, hospitals and schools.
It has been reported that the security services stopped nurses and doctors from treating the injured during certain Arab demonstrations as a punishment for rising against the ruling regime. The thugs contracted by the police to help quell protests went even further. They shot at ambulances.

Unlike in some Arab countries, Arabs living inside Israel can organise sit-ins very comfortably. And when the Israeli police intervenes, they never beat demonstrators to death. And if we compare how Israel treats Shaikh Raed Salah with the way some Arab dictators treat their opponents, we will be horribly surprised, as the Israelis are very much less brutal.


They may be horribly surprised, but the only because Arab media simply doesn?t tell the truth, or at least they haven?t until now.  Until recently, they didn?t cover Arab atrocities, instead focusing on propagating blood libels and Elders of Zion-like false propaganda against Israel and the Jews.  And although al-Qasim never admits it, it?s Arab journalists like him and outlets like Gulf News that have been providing cover for the Moammar Gaddafis and Bashar Assads for decades by, as al-Qasim puts it in an odd New Testament context, focusing on the ?dust particle? in Israeli eyes while ignoring the log in their own.

Al-Qasim concludes with an even more honest context:
Israel can always claim it is facing an enemy, whereas Arab dictators are facing their own people.

Israel is facing an enemy ? an enemy that wants to exterminate them ? and yet act with much more humanity than their enemies.  That?s not shocking to the rest of the world. 

Maybe Arabs should start asking themselves why they?re just discovering this, and why they?re at war with Israel rather than the dictators that oppress them.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #93 on: June 05, 2011, 06:28:52 PM »
Assad paid Golan demonstrators $1,000 apiece,
but turnout scanty


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report June 5, 2011


Only hundreds - not thousands this timeS

yrian President Bashar Assad's security machine is creaking judging by its failure to raise thousands of Palestinian and Syrian volunteers to brave the Israeli troops manning the Golan Sunday, June 5 - three weeks after his success in staging the first mass border incursion. debkafile's intelligence sources reveal that even the few hundred willing to turn out demanded a fee: $1,000 for every demonstrator who managed to cut a piece of razor wire from the Israeli border fence ? and exorbitant fee in Syrian terms - and $10,000 for the families of volunteers shot by Israeli troops before they reached their goal.

Syrian state TV reported 20 killed and 277 injured in clashes with Israeli border troops - figures which are not reliably confirmed.

Assad's home front is sinking fast, which was why he tried to stage a piece of nation-cementing drama on the Israeli border. He hoped the Golan dead would outnumber the many hundreds killed in his three-month crackdown on the protest movement against his regime and is therefore likely to keep on trying.

Sunday alone, scores died in Syrian tank-backed attacks on protesters in northwest Syria who are now using live fire against his troops. debkafile' sources report that Syrian security agents captured by protesters were hung in broad daylight from electricity poles on city high streets Sunday, June 5, causing troops and police to flee in panic.

"We are deeply troubled by events that took place earlier today in the Golan Heights resulting in injuries and the loss of life," the State Department said in a statement.

"We call for all sides to exercise restraint. Provocative actions like this should be avoided. Israel, like any sovereign nation, has a right to defend itself," the US statement added.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #94 on: June 05, 2011, 06:44:13 PM »
If Assad goes, there are no guarantees that whoever replaces him will be any less oppressive to the Syrian people,or less hostile to Israel.

Assad has not done much to annoy the Israelis since he came to power. He has only protested the annexation of Golan.

It is probably true that he was against the Syrians strolling across the border in order to gain support with the people. It does not seem to have worked.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #95 on: June 05, 2011, 06:58:05 PM »
Probably good that they had those lands to defend from, at least

I doubt the location of the border would really matter. The plan of the Syrians and Palestinians was to cross the border. They did. And Israel shot them for doing so.

Think we should do the same at the Rio Grande?

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #96 on: June 05, 2011, 07:13:03 PM »
I believe they do matter....both in symbolic and actual lands of defense
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #97 on: June 05, 2011, 07:22:09 PM »
I believe they do matter....both in symbolic and actual lands of defense

Of course you do, that is your position. But your belief doesn't change the fact that Palestinians and Syrians were intent on crossing the border as a form of protest and got shot at for their trouble.

Personally i think this will be a PR nightmare for Israel. I just don't think video of protestors being shot at, no matter by whom, plays well with the general public.

I mean isn't that why we are in Libya?


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #98 on: June 05, 2011, 07:33:27 PM »
At the present time, it appears that Palestinian resistance is more and more likely to take the form of civil disobedience, and that is bad for Israel. It is not longer possible to keep videos away from the world audience. Cellphones and digital cameras are everywhere, and Al Jazeera will air anything that it wishes, as it is not censured as Arab news agencies have previously been.

Flashmobs at checkpoints in Israel are a distinct possibility. World opinion is bound to be increasingly against Zionists.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #99 on: June 05, 2011, 08:19:59 PM »
I believe they do matter....both in symbolic and actual lands of defense

Of course you do, that is your position. But your belief doesn't change the fact that Palestinians and Syrians were intent on crossing the border as a form of protest and got shot at for their trouble.

Nor does it change the fact that the land in question, rightly belongs to Israel.  There is no dispute, outside of those that want to make fodder of the Palestinians, while Arab nations like Syria, are trying to give Israel a PR black eye, by illegally crossing into another's territory. 

While our country won't fire on a throng of illegal immigrants massing over into CA from Mexico, neither are those immigrants firing rockets into SD, or blowing up buses in LaJolla, or bombing discos in LA.



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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #100 on: June 05, 2011, 09:32:28 PM »
Israel choose to fire on the demonstrators.

No one forced them to do it.


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2011, 10:02:36 PM »
Demonstrators chose to ILLEGALLY march into foreign country's territory, AT THE RISK OF BEING SHOT. 

No one put a gun to their head and forced them to do that.  Perhaps now, such demonstrators will think twice
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #102 on: June 05, 2011, 10:13:08 PM »
Demonstrators chose to ILLEGALLY march into foreign country's territory, AT THE RISK OF BEING SHOT. 

No one put a gun to their head and forced them to do that.  Perhaps now, such demonstrators will think twice

I'm sure those watching this on TV will consider your argument before deciding whether Israel overreacted.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2011, 10:35:55 PM »
Those that no the truth vs what's the better PR ploy, perhaps
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2011, 10:46:18 PM »