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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #135 on: June 06, 2011, 04:44:43 PM »
future protesters, who wish to illegally cross into another country's territory, will think twice

problem is....paid stooges dont think
this stunt is meant to use the media whores & the 5Th Column
to steal headlines away from Assad mowing down thousands of his own people.
Cuzz golly-geee SIRS we know mowing down thousands of your own people is not
nearly as bad as Israel protecting it's borders from stooges of it's sworn enemies!
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #136 on: June 06, 2011, 04:45:14 PM »
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No, I do NOT believe they "over-reacted", merely that they could have used lesser means.  

If they had used lesser means then perhaps they wouldn't be accused of over-reacting.

Oh, I'm sure the Anti-Israeli zealots would have their rhetoric turned up on high, no matter what was used.  At least this way, future protesters, who wish to illegally cross into another country's territory, will think twice


20 unarmed dead is a bit much, especially if they had lesser means at their disposal to control the situation.

That is a matter of perception, context, and ultimately about the truth, which again has been provided, and has yet to be refuted, much less even acknowledged by the likes of those that want to keep portraying Israel in the worst PR light possible

You still don't get it, do you. Bad PR influences the undecided.
Israel can't afford to alienate anyone.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #137 on: June 06, 2011, 04:47:04 PM »
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Cuzz golyy Geee SIRS we know mowing down thousands of your own people is not
nearly as bad as Israel protecting it's borders from stooges of it's sworn enemies!

You act as if Israel had no control over its own reaction. Even Sirs concedes they could have used lesser means.


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #138 on: June 06, 2011, 04:47:26 PM »
Israel can't afford to alienate anyone.

why not?
like they have alot of support among the butchers and thieves at the UN
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #139 on: June 06, 2011, 04:54:01 PM »
You still don't get it, do you. Bad PR influences the undecided.
Israel can't afford to alienate anyone.


Actually, I get it just fine.....I know the truth.  You're already on record of advocating Israel's need to concede, arrange for some form of land swap, and thus placating and enabling continued aggression upon Israel.  You've also convinced me that there can be no peace, so Israel is justified in doing just about anything it needs to do, in order to defend its very existence
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #140 on: June 06, 2011, 04:56:14 PM »
You act as if Israel had no control over its own reaction.
 Even Sirs concedes they could have used lesser means.

Frankly BT the "world's condemnations" of Israel dont mean squat to me
I really dont care.....AT ALL.
The butchers and thieves at the UN have zero value to me....
Ya know the same crowd that nominates Libya and other butchers to Human Rights Committees?
The enemies of Israel can lob missle after missle into Israel
The enemies of Israel can blow up civilian buses in Israel
The enemies of Israel can target children's schools
The enemies of Israel can do almost anything....and where is the "outrage"?
So frankly the "outrage" is a big sham.....there is no real outrage.
The enemies of Israel use the media whores to help them with this fake outrage.
Assad mows down thousands but "the world" is OUTRAGED about Israel...
Laughable!

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #141 on: June 06, 2011, 05:00:51 PM »
this is what this Israel kills protesters scam is all about

Anti-government rebels capture parts of NW Syria,
kill 120 security officers


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

June 6, 2011


Armed rebels in Hama downtown

Thousands of paramilitary rebels wielding guns and explosives have seized an area of northwestern Syria between the towns of Homs, Hama and Latakiya. Syrian State TV interrupted its broadcasts for the second time Monday, June 6, to announce that "terrorist gangs" had killed at least 120 troops and security officers, most of them in the embattled town of Jisr al-Shughour.
In that town, at least 35 protesters were killed by pro-government forces in the last 24 hours.

Military sources disclose that Syrian President Bashar Assad has dispatched Brigade 555, the strategic reserve guarding the regime in Damascus, and the army's 85th brigade, in a desperate bid to snuff out the armed revolt in the Homs-Hama-Restan-Jisr al-Shughour region. 

Our sources say rebel control of this area is complete. They have torched all the buildings housing government and ruling institutions and no government forces are to be seen there.
Monday night, the rebels seized the army's explosive stores near the big dams on the Orontes River. They used a part of the five tons of explosives they gained control of to blow up the river bridges linking central and southern Syria to the northwest so as to block the passage of tanks and commando reinforcements.

Our intelligence sources disclose that potential mutiny in the Syrian armed forces was first signaled Sunday, June 5, when Brigadier Manaf Tlas, commander of the 105th Brigade of the elite Republican Guard and deputy of the president's brother Gen. Maher Assad, announced that he and his staff officers were going on strike until Bashar Assad met their demands.

Those demands relate to the honor of the prominent Tlas clan of the city of Restan. But more importantly, that one of Assad's key commanders was willing to lay down arms in the middle of the government's life-or-death struggle against a rapidly advancing revolt attested to the black mood sweeping the military elite in the regime's direst time of need.

Monday night, Syrian TV suddenly interrupted its broadcasts for Interior Minister Gen. Muhammad Sha'er to make an announcement. He said Syria's problem today is not an attempt to overthrow the regime but a deliberate attempt to topple the Syrian state. Syria faces a rebellion staged by armed terrorists, he said.

The general was the first Syrian public figure to publicly describe the uprising and demonstrations engulfing the country in terms of a regime fighting for its life.

Sunday, debkafile reported that Assad's security machine is creaking badly, a judgment made by Israeli and Western intelligence watchers on the strength of its failure to raise thousands of Palestinian and Syrian volunteers to brave the Israeli troops manning the Golan. The staged protest fizzled out Monday when only dozens of volunteers turned up opposite the Israeli border, only to be turned back by Syrian troops.
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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #142 on: June 06, 2011, 05:03:37 PM »
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like they have alot of support among the butchers and thieves at the UN

They aren't the ones Israel need to worry about.

They need to worry about the "middle Americans" who accept without question the US's support of Israel and all it does.


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #143 on: June 06, 2011, 05:21:50 PM »
They need to worry about the "middle Americans" who accept without question the US's support of Israel and all it does.
BT we will "agree to disagree"
I dont think they have to worry at all.
The American people know that Israel is the beach-head against the IslamoNazis.
Americans will continue their support for Israel.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #144 on: June 06, 2011, 05:39:22 PM »
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The American people know that Israel is the beach-head against the IslamoNazis.
Americans will continue their support for Israel.


I don't think they will, if the Israeli's keep shooting unarmed protestors.

Add to that all the money we send to Israel and Palestine and Egypt while calling for massive cuts in spending here at home and sooner or later people will pick up on that disconnect and start demanding that Israel get its ass to the peace talks and work out the best deal it can.


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #145 on: June 06, 2011, 05:56:31 PM »
I don't think they will, if the Israeli's keep shooting unarmed protestors.

We send money to Pakistan who trains and harbors people that kill our soldiers.
I doubt the American People are fooled by the stooge Syrian/Hezbolla/Iranian backed protesters.

Israel get its ass to the peace talks and work out the best deal it can.

You do not negotiate with people that don't recognize you exist
because you know any agreement is worthless.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #146 on: June 06, 2011, 06:06:56 PM »
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You do not negotiate with people that don't recognize you exist
because you know any agreement is worthless.

That's Israels call. Even though though they have the military to take on and defeat most of their neighbors simultaneously.

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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #147 on: June 06, 2011, 06:35:55 PM »
..demanding that Israel get its ass to the peace talks and work out the best deal it can.

You do not negotiate with people that don't recognize you exist
because you know any agreement is worthless.


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #148 on: June 06, 2011, 10:45:31 PM »
future protesters, who wish to illegally cross into another country's territory, will think twice

problem is....paid stooges dont think

True....BUT....in this case, the use of firearms vs that of...oh, loud music, or even water cannons, would make even the most ignorant stooge rethink the idea of illegally crossing into Isreal.  But as I said before, it wouldn't have mattered what Israel used, it'd be spun as inhumane, or degrading, or cruel.  Can you imagine the outrage of mass tasers were used?


this stunt is meant to use the media whores & the 5Th Column
to steal headlines away from Assad mowing down thousands of his own people.


If it weren't for the date of the event, I'd agree 100%.  That said, I still concur, that it was convenient timing for the Syrian government to get the media to (willingly) turn their wrath upon Israel once again.  It's partly why I posted this article on how Arab dictators are far worse in their treatment of Arab peoples, than the Israelis are


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Re: Debunking myths about Israel
« Reply #149 on: June 06, 2011, 11:46:13 PM »
mass tasers?

that is an interesting notion

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/20100119.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

The LRAD is the most successfull non leathal device for croud repelling so far, Isreal could buy an hundred units off the shwlf.