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A Crisis of Confidence
« on: January 11, 2007, 10:04:30 AM »
Bush's way forward may be sensible. But his face showed fear—and that's no way to rally a war-weary nation. - By Howard Fineman

Jan. 10, 2007 - George W. Bush spoke with all the confidence of a perp in a police lineup. I first interviewed the guy in 1987 and began covering his political rise in 1993, and I have never seen him, in public or private, look less convincing, less sure of himself, less cocky. With his knitted brow and stricken features, he looked, well, scared. Not surprising since what he was doing in the White House library was announcing the escalation of an unpopular war.

The president may well be right that we cannot afford to leave or lose in Iraq . He makes profound sense when he observes that a collapse of Iraq would mean the rise of a giant version of the Taliban's Afghanistan—with a million times the oil in the ground.

But if he was trying to assure the country that he had confidence in his own plan to prevent that collapse, well, a picture is worth a thousand words. And the words themselves weren't that assuring either. Does anyone in America or Iraq , or anywhere else in the world for that matter, really think that the Sunnis and Shia will make peace? Does anyone think that embedded American soldiers won't be in danger of being fragged by their own Iraqi brethren? Does anyone really think that Iran and Syria can be prevented from playing havoc in Iraq and the rest of the region by expressions of presidential will?

George Bush had the look of a man who knew he had made a royal hash of things in reaching for what most enlightened people would say was a noble goal: a stable, antiterrorist Iraq.       

In his televised address about Iraq, the president used the book-lined backdrop of the library in the White House to evoke the midwar FDR. This was supposed to be the kind of matter-of-fact, detail-filled radio address that the Old Man gave each week through the course of the last Good War.

Problem was, Bush had long since forfeited the political credibility that FDR was able to maintain through his presidency. Roosevelt made huge mistakes, and the rules of the times allowed him to hold back much information. But the public believed him in his role as a leader of the Western World. Luckily for Roosevelt, he was on the radio for the most part.

Bush's political problem is not so much that he has lied to the American people—though he may well have done so—but that he seems for years to have been lying to himself.

What the voters saw on TV just now was a man struggling to come to grips with his own unwillingness to face facts. It's still a struggle. His acknowledgement of mistakes was oblique and not as brave as it sounded at first blush. Mistakes were made, and he said. "The responsibility rests with me," he said. What he meant to convey was that others had made the mistakes, but that he was stepped up to take the hit. Hoo-aw! He said that he had "consulted" congressional leaders of both parties before he came to a decision on sending more than 20,000 additional troops. He didn't really consult with members of Congress, and certainly not with Democrats, unless you consider Sen. Joe Lieberman a Democrat.

Forty years ago, another president from Texas escalated an unpopular war. A famous Washington columnist, James Reston, described Lyndon Johnson's leadership as "war by tantrum."

This Texas president doesn't operate through tantrums, and this wasn't a tantrum. This is an expression of grim determination, based on a moral vision, a worthy if perhaps unrealistic goal, and a fierce hatred of being branded a loser. I could tell you lots of stories about just how much Bush hates to lose, and always has.

The president's chances of success, such as they are, now rest with the reasonableness and details of his plan. Will it work? His says that his generals "report" that it will. Do the American people believe that it will?

I'm not sure that they are really listening, but if they were watching, they can't have been reassured by the man they saw in the basement of the White House.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 11:05:58 AM »
Must have watched a different speech than i did.


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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 11:49:25 AM »
Bush's way forward may be sensible. But his face showed fear—and that's no way to rally a war-weary nation. - By Howard Fineman

What's that phrase again?  Oh yea, start with a false premise and , well, we know the rest.  Howard must have had the Sci-Fi channel on, and got Bush confused with Bill Pullman     ;D
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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 12:27:24 PM »
My wife and I watched the speech last night.  All the way through.  It was basically appalling in every way to us.

We agreed that it was difficult even to follow what he was saying because it was all just utter bullshit blather.  He rejects everything that the predominence of Americans want to happen.  Even worse still, he sticks his jackboot right in the eye of the Iraqi government who have said over and over again that they want the US out.

There were so many aspects that galled me that I have a hard time even thinking about it.  Who is Bush to tell the Iraqi government what they are going to do in order for them to be on their own when they are showing us the door constantly and saying, "Hey, don't you need to be somewhere?"

And now that he's admitted that he made mistakes and that the war has been a collossal blunder, can't we just go ahead and impeach his sorry ass and all his cabinet and everything and just put him in jail now?  He said that they misjudged.  Good enough for me.  His misjudgement lost lives.  Over half a million of them by some estimates.  At the very fucking least, that is negligent homicide.  Put him in GitMo and drive his sorry ass even more insane like he's done to Padilla.

We are heading to times equal to or worse than the violence in America during the '60's.  I hope everyone is aware of that.


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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 12:37:28 PM »
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We are heading to times equal to or worse than the violence in America during the '60's.

What violence?


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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 12:38:39 PM »
Of course there was fear in his face. He is a coward  and he has just pleaded guilty.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 12:56:43 PM »

What violence?


I predict riots in the streets before its over.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 01:38:04 PM »
Lord knows, Juniorbush DESERVES riots in the streets, but there is no draft, and consequently the usual participants in riots, ie young men and women under 25, are not threatened as they were in the 1960's, and if there are riots, I doubt that they will be anything as  huge as those around the time that Nixon had his 'incursion' into Cambodia, and the students had the 'Moratorium'.

I think Congress will bring an end to this mess. He will get his 'surge', but unless it seems to be truly triumphant, then he will have to blame it all on the Iraqis (who else? Juniorbush never accepts blame and bring the troops home.

Or does anyone here really thing we shall have a "Monument to the Iraq War"?
 
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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 02:13:30 PM »
I agree with XO.

No draft, no need to get your head cracked.


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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2007, 02:18:32 PM »
Not yet anyway..

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 02:27:03 PM »
Forget Bush. Consider McCain and Petraeus, who are adherents of the wisdom of this initiative. Even Fineman correctly (according to prevailing wisdom) predicts a disaster on many fronts if Iraq is "lost." Does that weight the analysis to one last try? Now, I don't balk at the idea of admitting defeat and moving on, but the question is where do we go? Can the predicted disaster be mitigated or even turned to our advantage? These questions require serious thought.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2007, 02:41:39 PM »
Iraq is a bandaid we're slowly trying to pull off of our ever so slightly hairy forearm.  What is a better way to do it, slowly and torturously or quickly with a moment's pain?

The endgame is clear and though two painful roads lead there, one is short and uncomfortable, the other a scenic route through hellish territory to the inevitable and even more hellish conclusion. 

There is no way to "win" in Iraq by any measure, delusional or otherwise.  No military action is going to set Iraq on any path we want.

Yank the bandaid off by bringing our troops out and let us be done with horrible mistaken endeavour.  More American deaths, more Iraqi deaths will not validate those who have already died needlessly.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2007, 02:48:26 PM »
I remember all the bullsh*t Nixon spewed about how it would mean a worldwide defeat for US interests everywhere if he withdrew from Vietnam. All the dominoes would come a-crashing down, the Chinese and the Russians would take over everything.

They 'lost' Cambodia and Laos, but Vietnam was too weakened to do much other than to try to pull itself together. Eventually, they fought the Cambodians and the Chinese, but it is obvious that we would have been greatly ahead had Nixon withdrawn all the troops on Jan 20, 1969.
LBJ and HHH knew the war had been lost even before that.

When you admit to a wrongful war, it serves as a purge of all the idiots who got you into the mess to begin with. It i8s surely a time to purge the NeoCons now.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 04:52:45 PM »
I don't believe Iraq is lost. And i don't think this is a one prong surge.

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Re: A Crisis of Confidence
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2007, 05:25:45 PM »
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I don't believe Iraq is lost. And i don't think this is a one prong surge.


Iraq will not be the flat-tax libertarian idyll that the NeoCons envisioned for it. It is not going to be Israel's buddy,  either.  It could be a corrupt Middle Eastern pseudo democracy controlled by oilmen, however.


I hardly think that unless major improvements are made with the initial surge that there will be more than one prong.

And the time has come to jettison the NeoCons.
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