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US, French envoys signal Assad:
If army storms Hama, Turkish troops march in


DEBKAfile Special Report

July 9, 2011, 10:53 AM (GMT+02:00)

The visits the American and French ambassadors, Robert Ford and Eric Chevalier, paid to Hama Friday, July 8, in the thick of the half-million turnout in Orontes Square, were more than just a provocative gesture of solidarity with the forces rallying to oust Bashar Assad; they provided a rare glimpse of the joint effort underway between Barack Obama, Nicolas Sarkozy and Tayyip Erdoganto to solve an Arab Revolt conflict by compromise.

Ambassador Ford visited Hama twice ? the first time Thursday.  He made a point of showing Washington's
outrage at the Assad regime's barbaric use of tank artillery, snipers and abuse to suppress the nearly four-month uprising by a visit to Hourani Hospital. There he watched the casualties of Syrian military fire being brought in, including 26 fatalities.
Those visits sparked a sharp exchange: The Syrian Interior Ministry accused the US ambassador of meeting "saboteurs and inciting them to violence, protest and rejection of dialogue," which the authorities say will begin on Sunday, July 10.

debkafile sources report that Assad has selected 244 Syrian figures for inviting to the talks. None represent the protesters or any part of the real opposition to his rule.

Damascus condemned the envoy's visits to Hama as "proof that Washington was playing a role in 15 weeks of unrest." The US State Department rejected the Syrian charge, saying the American envoy was welcomed with flowers and olive branches by peaceful civilians seeking change. They also chanted "No to dialogue!" and "Down with the regime!"
In Washington, Syrian ambassador Imad Mustapha was summoned to the State Department and warned to stop his staff spying on Syrian residents rallying against the Syrian ruler and threatening to harm their families back home.

Notwithstanding these harsh exchanges, debkafile's Middle East sources report that the Ambassadors' Hama visits were part of a complicated, high-stakes diplomatic maneuver undertaken by the US, French and Turkish leaders to forge a compromise between Assad and opposition leaders that would leave the president in place provided he accepted democratic reforms and agreed to make room for political opponents in government.

Four steps have been taken in this direction:

1.  By announcing the start of dialogue with the opposition, Assad feels he is meeting a key condition for staying in power:
2.   He has held back from a major military assault on the center of Hamas where demonstrators mass day by day and opted for dialogue rather than repeating the massacre his father ordered in 1982 which left at least 25,000 dead. The army has so far been restricted to forays on the town's outskirts;
3.   The two ambassadors could not have visited the flashpoint city unless the military checkpoints at its approaches had been forewarned to let them through and the protesters' leaders tipped off to expect them. This concurrence between the two sides over the diplomats' presence in Hama was treated by them as a hopeful sign for the coming "national dialogue."
4.   At the same time, 400 kilometers from Hama, Turkish troops are ranged on the border prepared to march into Syria and carve out a 800-square kilometer buffer zone between the Syrian, Iraqi and Turkish borders and the Mediterranean.

Our sources report this enclave would serve two objects:
One would be to provide asylum under Turkish military protection for Syrian refugees in flight from their homes. Ankara is anxious to keep down the numbers entering Turkey and plans to relocate the 25,000 already housed in tent cities there into the enclave.

The other would be to provide Syrian opposition leaders with a stronghold and a safe place to establish an alternative administration to the Assad regime in Damascus.

The Syrian conflict is now at a standoff: A massacre in Hama at the hands of the Syrian army would trigger a Turkish military incursion into Syria.

At the same, time, debkafile's sources stress, not all the protesters of the largely Muslim town of Hama are in favor of US-French-Turkish tactics. While some greeted Ambassador Ford's car with flowers and olive branches, others made a bonfire of American dollars in Orontes Square.


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Sounds like a good plan. It should serve to avoid more refugees and more people getting massacred.

Eventually, Assad will have to go. I don't see how he can stay in power unless he can really crack down hard on the rebellion as his father did, and the Turks will not allow this.

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If Turkey invaded Syria as threatened...and a regional war broke out with
Iran involved would NATO get involved since Turkey is a member of NATO?
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Iran is not stupid enough to get involved. Look at a map: Syria has no border with Iran. Iran would have to attack Turkey directly, and that would be a really, really bad idea.

Iran has nothing to gain from keeping Assad in power.
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Iran has nothing to gain from keeping Assad in power.

They do bigtime if whoever takes over Syria is not as cooperative
in the transfer of extremely large shipments of arms to Hezbollah
via Syria as Assad has been.
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Hezbollah has not received  "extremely large shipments of arms".
They got enough to drive Israel out of Lebanon. Since then, they have barely been a threat.
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If Turkey invaded Syria as threatened...and a regional war broke out with
Iran involved would NATO get involved since Turkey is a member of NATO?

Good question. I would think Turkey would have to be attacked.

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They would have to be attacked to invoke the treaty, not to co-operate on a new project.

I wonder why Iran feels no graditude to France where Aiatolla Kumeni sought sanctuary and where he recorded sermons that were distributed in Iran to urge the rejection of the Shah.

As far as I know even the Aiatolla Kumeni  himself never sent a thank you note.

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Hezbollah has not received  "extremely large shipments of arms".

"The Israeli navy intercepted a ship heading for Syria and seized an unprecedented
500-ton haul of weapons from Iran intended for the Shiite Muslim Hezbollah militia
in Lebanon"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aGpKirues6c8

"Iran sending banned weapons to Syria, U.N. report says"
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-12/world/un.syria.iran.weapons_1_iranian-weapons-conventional-arms-report?_s=PM:WORLD

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Syria Thursday night that its policy of sending weapons to Hezbollah
...with Syrian help, it is now thought to have rebuilt its stockpile and boasts longer-range missiles
thought capable of reaching targets deep within Israel"

http://abcnews.go.com/International/hillary-clinton-warns-syria-arms-shipments-hezbollah/story?id=10517172

"Syria is the back yard through which passes the weapons that Iran sends to Hezbollah"
http://www.yalibnan.com/2011/06/25/hezbollah-getting-ready-for-the-day-after-assad-falls-report/

"UNITED NATIONS: Most of Iran's breaches of a UN arms embargo have been illegal weapons deliveries
to Syria, which Western diplomats say were to be passed on to Lebanese and Palestinian militants,
a UN report says"

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/12/syria-top-destination-for-illegal-iran-arms-un.html

"300 tons of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah via Syria, November 2009"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703426004575338923106485984.html


"UN report accuses Iran of arms shipment to Syrian amidst prohibition"
http://www.usanewschat.com/un-report-accuses-iran-of-arms-shipment-to-syrian-amidst-prohibition/137529/


"Iran Steps Up Arms Shipments to Hezbollah Via Syria"
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/1578-Iran-Steps-Up-Arms-Shipments-to-Hezbollah-Via-Syria.html



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Blah, blah, and more blah.

Syria's government is struggling to just stay in power at the moment. Iran could not help Assad stay in power,and will not intervene, as it would have to cross Turkish territory to do so.

Turkey could easily clobber Iran all by itself, and is backed by NATO if attacked. Iran knows this. Iran will do nothing significant except provoke more propaganda from bogus "news" sources like debkafiles.
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Iran could not help Assad stay in power...



US officials: Iran helping Syria's Assad put down protests

The US has long been concerned about Iranian influence in Syria,
which serves as the main conduit through which Iran sends weapons
to Hezbollah and Hamas. Now, that influence could grow.

Iran is providing Syria with gear to disperse the country's pro-democracy protests
and is helping Syrian security forces block and track Internet and cellphone use among
protesters, according to unnamed US officials quoted by The Wall Street Journal.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0414/US-officials-Iran-helping-Syria-s-Assad-put-down-protests
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Iran could not help Assad stay in power



Iran helping Syrian regime crack down on protesters, say diplomats

Simon Tisdall and foreign staff in Damascus The Guardian
Monday 9 May 2011

Iran is playing an increasingly active role in helping the Syrian regime in its crackdown on pro-democracy protesters,
according to western diplomatic sources in Damascus.

A senior western diplomat in Damascus expanded on assertions, first made by White House officials last month,
that Iran is advising president Bashar al-Assad's government on how to crush dissent
.

The diplomat pointed to a "significant" increase in the number of Iranian personnel in Syria since protests began
in mid-March. Mass arrests in door-to-door raids, similar to those that helped to crush Iran's "green revolution"
in 2009, have been stepped up in the past week.

"Tehran has upped the level of technical support and personnel support from the Iranian Republican Guard to
strengthen Syria's ability to deal with protesters
," the diplomat said, adding that the few hundred personnel
were not involved in any physical operations. "Since the start of the uprising, the Iranian regime has been worried
about losing its most important ally in the Arab world and important conduit for weapons to Hezbollah
[in Lebanon],"
the diplomat said.

Last month White House officials made similar allegations about Iranian assistance for the regime, particularly
in terms of intercepting or blocking internet, mobile phone and social media communications between the protesters
and the outside world. But the officials did not provide hard evidence to support their claims.

Activists and diplomats claim Iran's assistance includes help to monitor internet communications
such as Skype, widely used by a network of activists, methods of crowd control, and providing equipment
such as batons and riot police helmets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/08/iran-helping-syrian-regime-protesters





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That does not sound like enough to keep Assad in power to me.

Iran is not sending troops.

If Turkey invaded to protect the people of NW Syria, Iran would not stop the Turks.
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Iran and Turkey Circle Syria

July 09, 2011

With pressure growing on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step aside,
will Iran continue to support his crackdown?




By Meir Javedanfar 
 
The ongoing unrest in Syria caught many governments around the world off-guard, not least in Iran and Turkey.

Like many other capitals, both Tehran and Ankara appear to have been surprised not only by the actual outbreak of unrest, but also by the momentum and tenacity of the demonstrations. Yet what has probably surprised them more is how they now find themselves pitted against each other over the future of the Bashar al-Assad regime.

On one side, the Iranian government is offering Assad diplomatic and military support to cling on to power, including sending security advisers, equipment for shutting off the Internet, and forces for brutalizing the demonstrators. Iranian news sources, meanwhile, have also supported Syrian state reports by labelling the demonstrators "terrorists."

On the other side stands Turkey. Its government, which had until recently been close to Assad, is now condemning him. In an interview in early June, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Assad and his brother, Maher, of "killing people and then releasing videos of the killings," while asking the United Nations to intervene. Other reports noted the Turkish government delivering a warning letter to Assad, asking him to implement reforms and to fire Maher, who is believed by many to be behind the brutal crackdowns. This has occurred against the backdrop of thousands of Syrian refugees fleeing the crackdown to Turkey. Had they crossed into Iran instead, it's difficult to imagine the Iranian regime doing anything except handing them straight back.

The conflicting views on Syria come at a time when ties between the two had actually been prospering, especially on the economic side. Turkey has bought gas from Iran at discounted prices, while selling gasoline at 25 percent above market prices. Turkey had also become a trusted confidant for Iran over the nuclear issue. For example, Iran backed last year's Brazil-Turkey nuclear deal, while Istanbul became one of Iran's preferred venues for P5+1 nuclear talks over Iran's nuclear programme.

This isn't to say there haven't been tensions. Both Shiite Persian majority Iran and Sunni majority Ottoman Turkey have their own regional ambitions, creating competition that is now manifesting itself in places such as Gaza, Iraq and in relations with the Persian Gulf countries. The Turkish government was silent about the entry of Saudi forces into Bahrain, for example, because of concerns over its relations with the Persian Gulf Cooperation Council (Iran, in contrast, was furious).

http://the-diplomat.com/2011/07/09/iran-and-turkey-circle-syria/
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Iran has nothing to gain from keeping Assad in power.



Tehran ready to give Syria $5.8 billion: report

Reuters: Fri, Jul 15, 2011

PARIS (Reuters) - Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khameini backs offering $5.8 billion in aid to Syria to bolster its economy, a French newspaper said Friday, citing a report by a Tehran think-tank linked to Iran's leadership.

Damascus has long been Tehran's main ally among otherwise mainly hostile Arab states.
After four months of popular unrest, Syria's economy is reeling under the weight of strikes, reduced oil exports, scaled-back trade and international sanctions.

Its troubles have prompted Iran's leadership to consider offering $5.8 billion in financial help, including a three-month loan worth $1.5 billion to be made available immediately, French business daily Les Echos said.

It added that Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has backed the idea of the aid, which was outlined in a secret report by the Center for Strategic Research, a think tank linked to the Iranian leadership.

It was not possible to verify the report Friday.

Iran, Les Echos said, could also provide 290,000 barrels of oil to Syria each day over the next month while helping to boost border controls to stop Syrians from fleeing the country for Lebanon with cash.

After four months of civil uprising in Syria, human rights groups report that more than 1,400 civilian have been killed, drawing a chorus of condemnation from around the world.

International sanctions are only targeted at Syria's leaders, not its banks and companies. But France and the United States are pressing for tougher penalties and a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning the crackdown, after the embassies of both countries in Syria were attacked.

http://news.yahoo.com/tehran-ready-syria-5-8-billion-report-141048288.html
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