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Kramer

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Birth Cert is a forgery
« on: July 12, 2011, 09:45:40 PM »
A prominent software engineer claims the Obama birth certificate released by the White House was forged by using as templates the birth certificates of twins born in Hawaii one day after the president.

The engineer, a high-level programmer for a state government, spoke on condition of anonymity but contends his analysis is self-evident. He previously, as WND reported, presented evidence that the signature of Obama's mother on the president's document is proof of fraud.

He believes forgers used the registration numbers of the birth certificates belonging to Gretchen and Susan Nordyke, 10637 and 10638, to create the Obama birth certificate number, 10641.

Read more: State programmer identifies template for Obama 'forgery' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=321561#ixzz1RwRkG4jI

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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2011, 10:49:48 AM »
KRAMER....I have wondered why instead of the place of birth the
"Natural Born Citizen" aspect with Obama has not been litigated more?

The US Constitution specifically says to be VP or President
the person must be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Not just born in the US....but a "Natural Born Citizen".

You can be a citizen and not be a "Natural Born Citizen".
In other words you can be born in the US, but unless
your parents are US Citizens you may not be a
"Natural Born Citizen" as defined by the US Supreme Court.

Although the US Constitution does not specifically
define "Natural Born Citizen", the US Supreme Court
in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)
pretty much seems to define a "Natural Born Citizen"
and Obama certainly does not fit the definition.
Thus Obama could be disqualified on this issue instead
of the birth certificate issue. Two different issues
entirely.

I would like to know more about this aspect....of course if
the US Supreme Court Minor Case is actually the definition
of Natural Born Citizen then besides Obama....Marco Rubio
would also probably not be eligible to be VP or President.

The "Natural Born Citizen" aspect about Obama
seems to be at least an equal to the Birth Certificate
issue...if not an even stronger case for disqualification
up for discussion.

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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 10:57:00 AM »
I agree but why did the produce a phony cert? It may come down to the coverup this time. Not the actual fact he isn't qualified.

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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 11:06:44 AM »
KRAMER....it is quite possible the birth certificate is tampered with or a forgery.

On the other issue of "Natural Born Citizen" check out the link below:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/us-supreme-court-precedent-states-that-obama-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/

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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2011, 11:43:35 AM »
i think natural born citizen aspect might of been disregarded due to it`s simply not enforceable at the very start. pretty sure alot of the founding fathers didn`t make the cut. remember the united state didn`t exist before they were born.

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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2011, 11:48:26 AM »
i think natural born citizen aspect might of been disregarded due to it`s simply not enforceable at the very start. pretty sure alot of the founding fathers didn`t make the cut. remember the united state didn`t exist before they were born.

Kimba if you look at.... Article II, Sec. 1, cl. 5 of the Constitution it does provides for
the Founding Fathers:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution
, shall be eligible to the Office of President. . ."
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 12:18:49 PM by Christians4LessGvt »
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2011, 12:29:38 PM »
It is both futile and stupid to keep up this absurd "birther" crap. Our President was born here, raised here by Americans. Numerous legal challenges have been made, and the only valid authority, the Supreme Court, has refused each and every one of them.


Get a life!
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2011, 01:07:13 PM »
Our President was born here, raised here by Americans.

Neither of which mean he would be a "Natural Born Citizen"
as the US Constitution requires.
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2011, 01:34:15 PM »
Our President was born here, raised here by Americans.

Neither of which mean he would be a "Natural Born Citizen"
as the US Constitution requires.

He was born in the US, the child of a US citizen. What more is required to be a "natural born citizen"?
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2011, 01:44:44 PM »
Apparently, Kramer and "Christians" have to approve. A majority of votes in the Electoral College and the popular vote is insufficient, even when the Supreme Court refuses to accept any challenges to the validity of the President's credentials.
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2011, 03:52:57 PM »
[He was born in the US, the child of a US citizen. What more is required to be a "natural born citizen"?

Obama's father was not a US Citizen.

The US Supreme Court in the Minor case defines "Natural Born Citizen" as a person
whose parents are citizens. Obama's "parents" were not citizens, only one was.

As far as I can tell, unless there is a new Supreme Court ruling in the future,
regardless of where Obama was born or that he may be a United States citizen
under the 14th Amendment, he is not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
and thus not eligible to be President of the United States.

more on this here:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/us-supreme-court-precedent-states-that-obama-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/minor-v-happersett-is-binding-precedent-as-to-the-constitutional-definition-of-a-natural-born-citizen/
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 03:58:06 PM by Christians4LessGvt »
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2011, 08:03:23 PM »
Although the US Constitution does not specifically
define "Natural Born Citizen", the US Supreme Court
in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)
pretty much seems to define a "Natural Born Citizen"


pretty seems to define?

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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2011, 11:40:34 PM »
pretty seems to define?

Kimba -- I am not a constitutional lawyer so I cant make a blanket statement of certainty
but after reading about this
and reading very bright people's writings about it
people that are much smarter about these matters than me
yes...it does appear to me that the Minor case "pretty much defines" a natural born citizen
and Obama does not fit the description
again i did not start this thread....
it's not a burning ...top of my list issue
i'm not obsessed with it & rarely think about until someone else brings it up
but I find the NBC aspect interesting
much more so than the birth certificate issue
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Re: Birth Cert is a forgery
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 11:50:18 PM »
Do we want the situation to be such that the children of our citizens are not citizens themselves?