Birth Cert is a forgery

[kimba1]

does this mean new types of Id`s are to be made in the future?

one for real americans and one for the rest.it looks like the list is growing.

me I don`t care since i was never made the cut with the old rules anyway.I don`t understand is no one is bringing the pint of this law ,which is this is a way to prevent influence of a foriegn power over this country.

[Amianthus]

The US Supreme Court in the Minor case defines "Natural Born Citizen" as a person
whose parents are citizens. Obama's "parents" were not citizens, only one was.

You need to recall the elections of the following presidents, then. They all had at least one parent that was not a citizen, one of them had *two* foreign parents, but was born in the US.

Andrew Jackson
Thomas Jefferson
James Buchanan
Chester Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover

You'd think that Thomas Jefferson would understand what was meant by "natural-born citizen".

Besides, you missed a case - United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) - later than the Minor case your referred to above.

The court ruled:

"It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established."

[Plane]

I have heard it explained that Alexander Hamilton was the origional object of this rule.


Not certain it is true.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Do we want the situation to be such that the children of our citizens are not citizens themselves?

Plane....I dont think anyone is sayin that.
No one is saying they are not citizens.
You can be a citizen and not be a "natural born citizen".
The Constitution only limits VP & Prez to "natural born citizens"
Any citizen can run for any other office like US Senate and US House...ect....

[Christians4LessGvt]

Besides, you missed a case - United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) -
later than the Minor case your referred to above.

LOL....no I obviously did not miss the Wong case,
it is in fact discussed in great detail in both the links
I have posted in different posts in this thread.

As to the Presidents you listed
I will get back with you, I am going
to bed....5am is not that far away
but I am sure your reading on them
vs the Constitutional requirement
is factually incorrect....I will get you
a rebuttal and show how you are
wrong.

nite-all!

[Christians4LessGvt]

You need to recall the elections of the following presidents, then. They all had at least one parent that was not a citizen, one of them had *two* foreign parents, but was born in the US.

Andrew Jackson
Thomas Jefferson
James Buchanan
Chester Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover

Every President born before the adoption of the Constitution in 1787 was
eligible because of the grandfather clause of Article 2, Section 1:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States,
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

Both Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson are covered by that clause.

James Buchanan's father emigrated to the U.S. from Ireland in 1783.
When the U.S. Constitution was adopted in 1787 (and ratified in 1788),
 it conferred citizenship upon everyone living in the States.
Therefore James Buchanan's parents were citizens of the United States
when James Buchanan was born in 1791. So, James Buchanan was a natural born citizen.

Woodrow Wilson's mother became a U.S. citizen by Congressional act in 1855.
Wilson was born in 1856. Therefore, both of Wilson's parents were U.S. citizens,
which makes Wilson a natual born citizen.

Herbert Hoover's mother became a citizen in 1870 under the same 1855 Congressional
act that conferred citizenship on Wilson's mother. Hoover was born in 1874 to
two U.S. citizen parents and he is therefore a natural born citizen.

Chester Arthur is a different story. So, I'll refer you to this site for the details: (more later)
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/a-little-more-on-chester-arthur-from-the-library-of-congress/

gottaGet2Bed!