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Just passing by....
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:11:49 AM »
...Saw the usual collection of topics and figured I'd keep on passing....

But I'll leave you this nugget that might make you want to go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....if Obama is warning people not to call his bluff, does that not give away the fact he is bluffing to start with?
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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 11:50:34 AM »
It depends on what the meaning of the word 'bluff' is.

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 08:41:49 PM »
What does Obama have to loose?

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 09:25:35 PM »
What does Obama have to loose?

his pants

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 09:42:30 PM »
   If Obama's pants land on the ground , he will blame the Republicans  and ride the wave of sympathy.

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 11:21:11 PM »
   If Obama's pants land on the ground , he will blame the Republicans  and ride the wave of sympathy.

is the country in a sympathetic mood these days? Isn't his chances over? Didn't he take his best shot and failed? Why would we give him 4 more years when he hasn't proven to be worthy?

Plane, if your wife went out and maxed out all your credit cards, refinanced your house, and spend the money, and bought all kinds of stuff that you don't need, and basically bankrupted you and even spent your retirement what would you do?
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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 01:08:05 PM »
I'll leave you this nugget that might make you want to go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....if Obama is warning people not to call his bluff, does that not give away the fact he is bluffing to start with?

Call Obama’s bluff
By Charles Krauthammer,
Published: July 14, 2011


President Obama is demanding a big long-term budget deal. He won’t sign anything less, he warns, asking, “If not now, when?”

How about last December, when he ignored his own debt commission’s recommendations?
How about February, when he presented a budget that increases debt by $10?trillion over the next decade?
How about April, when he sought a debt-ceiling increase with zero debt reduction attached?

All of a sudden he’s a born-again budget balancer prepared to bravely take on his own party by making deep cuts in entitlements. Really? Name one. He’s been saying forever that he’s prepared to discuss, engage, converse about entitlement cuts. But never once has he publicly proposed a single structural change to any entitlement.

Hasn’t the White House leaked that he’s prepared to raise the Medicare age or change the cost-of-living calculation?

Anonymous talk is cheap. Leaks are designed to manipulate. Offers are floated and disappear.

Say it, Mr. President. Give us one single structural change in entitlements. In public.

As part of the pose as the forward-looking grown-up rising above all the others who play politics, Obama insists upon a long-term deal. And what is Obama’s definition of long-term? Surprise: An agreement that gets him past Nov. 6, 2012.

Nothing could be more political. It’s like his Afghan surge wind-down date. September 2012 has no relation to any military reality on the ground. It is designed solely to position Obama favorably going into the last weeks of his reelection campaign.

Yet the Olympian above-the-fray no-politics-here pose is succeeding. A pliant press swallows the White House story line: the great compromiser (“clearly exasperated,” sympathized a Post news story) being stymied by Republican “intransigence” (the noun actually used in another front-page Post news story to describe the Republican position on taxes).

The meme having been established, Republicans have been neatly set up to take the fall if a deal is not reached by Aug. 2. Obama is already waving the red flag, warning ominously that Social Security, disabled veterans’ benefits, “critical” medical research, food inspection — without which agriculture shuts down — are in jeopardy.

The Republicans are being totally outmaneuvered. The House speaker appears disoriented. It’s time to act. Time to call Obama’s bluff.

A long-term deal or nothing? The Republican House should immediately pass a short-term debt-ceiling hike of $500?billion containing $500?billion in budget cuts. That would give us about five months to work on something larger.

The fat-cat tax breaks (those corporate jets) that Obama’s talking points endlessly recycle? Republicans should call for urgent negotiations on tax reform along the lines of the Simpson-Bowles commission that, in one option, strips out annually $1.1?trillion of deductions, credits and loopholes while lowering tax rates across the board to a top rate of 23 percent. The president says he wants tax reform, doesn’t he? Well, Mr. President, here are five months to do so.

Will the Democratic Senate or the Democratic president refuse this offer and allow the country to default — with all the cataclysmic consequences that the Democrats have been warning about for months — because Obama insists on a deal that is 10 months and seven days longer?

That’s indefensible and transparently self-serving. Dare the president to make that case. Dare him to veto — or the Democratic Senate to block — a short-term debt-limit increase.

This is certainly better than the McConnell plan, which would simply throw debt reduction back to the president. But if the House cannot do Plan A, McConnell is the fallback Plan B.

After all, by what crazy calculation should Republicans allow themselves to be blamed for a debt crisis that could destabilize the economy and even precipitate a double-dip recession? Right now, Obama owns the economy and its 9.2 percent unemployment, 1.9 percent GDP growth and exploding debt about which he’s done nothing. Why bail him out by sharing ownership?

You cannot govern this country from one house. Republicans should have learned that from the 1995-96 Gingrich-Clinton fight when the GOP controlled both houses and still lost.

If conservatives really want to get the nation’s spending under control, the only way is to win the presidency. Put the question to the country and let the people decide. To seriously jeopardize the election now in pursuit of a long-term, small-government, Ryan-like reform that is inherently unreachable without control of the White House may be good for the soul. But it could very well wreck the cause.

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 02:52:52 PM »
GOP: Please Do Call His Bluff and Man Your Battle Stations

Ordinarily, I'd have difficulty grasping the magnitude of arrogance driving President Obama in budget negotiations that could determine the survival of our nation, but after several painful years of observation, I've come to expect it from him.

Obama's personality type does not well handle opposition, so when House Majority Leader Eric Cantor refused to budge on Obama's unreasonable demand that the GOP agree to raise taxes during these economic hard times, which would not raise revenues, Obama blew up and "stormed out of the room."

Cantor suggested that the parties opt for a short-term deal to avert the debt ceiling deadline, but Obama adamantly refused. "Enough is enough," said Obama. "I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this."

Why is it acceptable for Obama to be overtly uncompromising but express outrage that his GOP opposition is unyielding? It's as if he's saying, "How dare you be as intransigent as I'm being."

Obama also warned Cantor, "Don't call my bluff." Notice all the I's and my's in Obama's threatening language. Did anyone ever tell this narcissistic man "no" before he became president?

He acts as though the United States is his personal chattel to do with as he pleases, and no one (including members of the coequal legislative branch) and nothing (including the Constitution) dare get in his way. He masquerades as a mere bystander in all this instead of the primary mover in accelerating this financial catastrophe and the primary obstructer of the reforms necessary to avert it.

Such petulance isn't Obama's only unbecoming conduct concerning these negotiations. He recently attempted to horrify seniors that their Social Security payments would be withheld if Republicans didn't compromise.

Obama knows better than that. Reaching the debt ceiling wouldn't prevent the government from spending money, only from spending more than it takes in, which means it could decide which payments to honor and which to forgo. There are plenty of expenditures less urgent than benefits to seniors. But Obama chooses to scare seniors anyway.

This same principle applies to Obama's refusal to exercise calming presidential leadership at Wednesday's announcement by Moody's that the government's credit rating is under review for a potential downgrade. Moody's said the ongoing debt limit stalemate increases the risk of the government's default on its debt.

But that is clearly untrue, and a president fulfilling his fiduciary duty to the nation would say so in unambiguous terms. What is true is that if we don't radically reduce our overall spending and structurally reform our entitlement programs at some point in the near future, we will be unable to honor our obligations. But it is the exploding national debt that is the enemy, not the debt ceiling, without which there's no telling how much worse off we'd already be.

Obama should have immediately assured Moody's and the rest of the world that no matter what happens in these negotiations, the United States will honor its debts. But just as he does with seniors, he prefers to ruthlessly leverage international fear as a negotiating weapon in his mission to remake America.

I repeat: It is past time that Republicans take the gloves off and man their offensive battle stations. Obama's constant assumption of the offense and the Republicans' deferential defensive positioning create the illusion that Obama has more power than Congress and that he is not mainly culpable in the events giving rise to this impasse.

Whether or not he accepts this reality, Obama owns this economy and the alarming explosion of the debt in recent years.
He is the one whose reckless policies have greatly exacerbated our dire financial condition.

He is the one whose unconscionably wasteful and irresponsible economic policies have tanked the economy and suppressed employment.
He is the one who, along with his party, has not presented a budget in 800 days.
He is the one who formed a bipartisan deficit commission and then ignored its findings.
He is the one who hasn't presented a concrete budgetary plan.
He is the one who refuses to reform entitlements despite objective evidence that if we don't, the nation will go belly up.
Yet he is the one who is pointing all the fingers of blame against the Republicans as if they were the culprits.

Republicans, choose your spokesman (Rep. Paul Ryan would be a good choice), and call daily pressers to make your case instead of always ceding that turf to Obama. In charge of the purse, you have every bit as much right to speak out on fiscal matters as does Obama. Then begin passing your reform bills over and over again, forcing the Democratic Senate and Obama to reject them. It's time that the president and party who are "creating the mess" were put back on their heels and exposed for their wanton fiscal destruction.

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 03:30:46 PM »
Only a moron would for for Obama.

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 05:20:54 PM »
Call Obama's bluff
By Charles Krauthammer,
Published: July 14, 2011

SIRS that was a GREAT article!
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 05:44:24 PM »
Obama is still more likely to win than any Republican.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 05:54:11 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Just passing by....
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 07:12:28 PM »
Obama is still more likely to win than any Republican.

Name one reason why?

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 08:58:05 PM »
The Republican Party  is filled with morons and has no plan to improve the economy.

The Republican Party has no adequate candidates that have demonstrated an ability to attract voters other than crypto fascist dolts.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2011, 09:01:23 PM »
The Republican Party  is filled with morons and has no plan to improve the economy.

The Republican Party has no adequate candidates that have demonstrated an ability to attract voters other than crypto fascist dolts.

Have you hugged your crypto fascist dolt today? I did...

I will embrace any one of those Republican crypto fascist dolts...and happily vote for the one that appears on my ballet.