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Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« on: September 15, 2011, 10:23:38 PM »
Israeli-Greek defense pact invoked
versus Turkish naval and air movements


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

September 15, 2011, 10:51 AM (GMT+02:00)


Turkish Warplanes

Israel and Greece have invoked the mutual defense pact they signed secretly only 12 days ago in the light of heavy Turkish sea and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. debkafile's sources report that this was decided in a long nocturnal phone conversation Wednesday night Sept. 14 between the Israeli and Greek prime ministers, Binyamin Netanyahu and George Papandreou, and at Israel's expanded cabinet of eight, which was called into session over the Turkish threat to its off-shore oil and gas rigs.

The Greek Prime Minister added to the information recorded so far on Turkish fleet movements in the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas. He was particularly concerned by the observation flights suddenly increased in the past 48 hours over the Greek island of Kastelorizo in the southeast Mediterranean just two kilometers from the Turkish coast. Those flights are escorted by Turkish combat jets.

Athens fears a Turkish attack on the island, whose population is fewer than 1,000, and an attempt to damage or seize it. Israel suspects that a Turkish attack on the Greek island will be the signal for Turkish military aggression against its oil and gas platforms located in the Mediterranean between Israel and Cyprus. Papandreou said the Turks are capable of surprise attacks on additional Greek islands near the Turkish coast.

Ankara would be acting on the pretext that Israel and Cyprus have no right to mark out and exploit the gas and oil zones of the eastern Mediterranean ? a fuel-rich region known as Block 12 ? without the consent of Turkish Cyprus (the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus ? TRNC). Turkey also backs Lebanon's complaint that Israel is robbing it of its natural resources. Talks between Lebanon and Cyprus to resolve this issue broke down. Beirut refuses any discussion with Israel.

Neither Jerusalem nor Athens has disclosed in what way they have invoked the new defense pact.

debkafile's military sources surmise that in the first stage, Israeli navy and air forces are to be posted at Greek Mediterranean bases. The two intelligence agencies are already sharing input.

Up until now, Israel could only respond to a Turkish threat from its own borders
. With a presence at Greek military bases, Israel will be able to operate from the rear of Turkish forces in the event of an attack by those forces in the Mediterranean.

Monday, Sept. 12, Ankara dictated conditions for Israel to obey in order to keep its navy afloat free of Turkish aggression:

1. Israel vessels are prohibited from taking action against Turkish ships heading for the Gaza Strip. Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan has declared "null and void" the UN report confirming the legality of Israel's blockade of Gaza.

2. Israeli warships crossing the 12-mile line bounding its territorial waters will be challenged by Turkish warships, which are instructed to approach them to within 100 meters and "disable their weapons."

This threat covers not only shipping bound for Gaza but also Israel's oil and gas drilling platforms which are more than 60 miles out to sea.

Israel's political and military spokesmen have been trying hard to downplay the Turkish menace. On Wednesday, Sept. 14, they brushed aside reports of Turkish naval and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. After the cabinet of eight's meeting, the official line was that Israel is practicing "restraint in contrast to Turkish wildness" and they should be given time to cool down. In any case, the US and NATO were closely monitoring the crisis Ankara is generating with Israel, Greece and Cyprus, and won't let it degenerate into Turkish military action.   

But both Israel and Greece appear to know better: They decided to invoke their mutual defense pact ? not before obtaining a green light from Washington ? because they believe the Turkish threats indicated by its military movements are real and tangible.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 01:27:04 AM »
There is no way that Turkey is likely to go to war with Israel. There has been a dispute between Greece and Turkey over Cyprus for decades. Cyprus is divided along ethnic lines, which is probably more satisfactory to both Greek and Turkish Cypriots than a united Cyprus dominated by Christians, who are in the majority.

Debkafiles loves the idea of war. Yet the wars they predict never happen.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 02:33:57 AM »
I wonder how that will work. Both Greece and Turkey being part of NATO.

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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 08:09:00 AM »


US urges Americans
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 10:29:05 AM »
I wonder how that will work. Both Greece and Turkey being part of NATO.
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There will be no war.

Debkafiles has a record of zero at predicting wars. It is simply an agent of Zionist hysteria written for the more mentally challenged Jews and Christians.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 12:08:12 PM »
Debkafiles has a record of zero at predicting wars. It is simply an agent of Zionist hysteria
written for the more mentally challenged Jews and Christians.
What an intellectual wussy.."kill the messenger"..rather than deal with reality
Oooops Boss....look at all the other non-Debka sources (see below)
I guess "they're all Jewish propaganda" outlets!
Ha Ha Ha......and then there is reality!


Turkey on collision course with Greece, Cyprus
By MENELAOS HADJICOSTIS , 09.16.11, 10:12 AM EDT 
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/16/general-energy-eu-turkey-greece-cyprus-gas-drilling_8683598.html



Threat by Turkish Premier Raises Tensions With Israel
By ETHAN BRONNER
September 9, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/world/middleeast/10israel.html



Turkey's warships warning to Israel

By REUTERS
Sep 15, 2011

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article502240.ece



Turkey warns over Cyprus oil drilling plans
16 September, 2011

http://www.financialmirror.com/news-details.php?nid=24420

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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 01:44:03 PM »
In the case of Debkafiles, the messenger DESERVES to be throttled. There are neurotic psychos in Israel today, just as there were neurotic psycho prophets in the Bible. They constantly preached gloom and doom and of course, it all came true within a couple of centuries, as it would have had no one predicted it and for totally different reasons.

Israelis are experts at guilt. They know that they are guilty of stealing land from the Palestinians, and they know that the world hates them for it.

But no, Greece and Turkey are not going to war. They didn't fight much over Cyprus, which involved the persecution of actual Greeks and Turks, and they are not going to fight over Israel's stupid pompous braggadocio.

Time for the US to sup[port independence for Palestine and cut the damned Zionists loose. They are a bunch of annoying beggars that have never helped this country, anyway.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 01:48:53 PM »
Not going to happen
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 04:14:26 PM »
Israelis are experts at guilt. They know that they are guilty of stealing land from the Palestinians, and they know that the world hates them for it.

The Israelis are no more guilty of sitting on "stolen" land than you are and most other
people in any nation on earth. Almost every country on earth...the land it sits on today...
was once occupied by someone else that they either ran off or killed. Cry-Me-A-River
on your lameass attempt at guilt while you yourself sit on "stolen" land.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 08:51:24 PM »
Again, Debkafiles has been talking about imminent war for the past ten years, and none has occurred. So they are so far just the journalistic equivalent of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and deserve to be ignored by anyone with a brain.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 09:08:46 PM »
Again, Debkafiles has been talking about imminent war for the past ten years, and none has occurred. So they are so far just the journalistic equivalent of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and deserve to be ignored by anyone with a brain.

you must not have a brain because you keep paying attention to it rather than ignoring it - you big dummy!

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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 10:33:01 PM »
Debkafiles has been talking about imminent war for the past ten years, and none has occurred
No wars have occurred?
You may want to re-read the news headlines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

they are so far just the journalistic equivalent of the Boy Who Cried Wolf
is that kind of like Obama predicting 8% unemployment if we passed his stimulus bill?
is it kind of like predictions from the Left that concealed handgun licenses would increase violence?
is that kind of like the Left predicting Obama would close Gitmo?
if Obama was a weatherman on the economy he'd a been fired long ago!
hopefully his sorry socialist ass wrong predictions will be fired in 2012

BTW.... can you provide examples of when Debka actually ever predicted a war would happen?
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2011, 09:04:50 AM »
They have predicted war between Turkey and israel, and constantly between Iran and Israel. If you do not think they predict wars, you are not reading the crap you post.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2011, 12:31:33 PM »
yeah yeah sure XO......Debka is crap
But Fidel Castro predicts war with Iran...well dats different boss!



By MARC FRANK
HAVANA, Cuba, July 12, 2010

"Castro, who appeared to be in complete control of his faculties,
used the interview to warn that a war between the United States
and Iran was imminent
"


http://abcnews.go.com/International/fidel-castro-appears-cuban-television/story?id=11147805

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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2011, 12:47:30 PM »
Israeli-Greek-Turkish air sea forces
prepare for first Cypriot gas drilling


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report - September 17, 2011


US Noble Energy rig off Cyprus shore

Military tension is building up among Greece, Turkey and Israel as Cyprus prepares to start exploratory drilling for gas offshore Monday, Sept. 19 in the face of threats from Ankara. All three have placed their air and sea forces in a state of preparedness along with the Cypriot army.

From Wednesday, Sept 14, Turkish warplanes and fighters kept watch on the Homer Ferrington rig belonging to Houston-based Noble Energy as it moved from Israel's offshore field Noa opposite Ashdod to Cyprus's Aphrodite (Block 12) field ready to start work.

It was the first time since the Mavis Marmara episode of May 2010 that Turkish warships came less than 80 kilometers from Israel's territorial waters. debkafile's military sources report that Israeli missile ships and drones kept watch from afar on the Noble rig's movement and tracked Turkish surveillance.

As the rig moved into position opposite Cyprus, so too did two Turkish frigates. A Cypriot spokesman said Turkish warships and fighters had not entered the island's territorial waters.

Ankara questions the rights of Israel and Cyprus to drill for hydrocarbon reserves in the respective Exclusive Economic Zones marked out in an accord they concluded last year.

The UN-approved Law of the Sea authorizes nations to mark out their Exclusive Economic Zones for the exploration of natural resources to a distance of 200 miles outside their territorial waters. Israel has never signed this treaty.

Thursday, Sept. 15, in Tunis, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan continued to inveigh against Israel declaring: "They will see what our decisions will be on this subject. Our navy attack ships can be there at any moment."

Without specifically mentioning Cyprus, he said: "Israel cannot do as it pleases in the Mediterranean" and "Turkey is committed to preserving the freedom of navigation in international waters."

Erdogan avoided linking Israel to the Turkish dispute with Greece and Greek Cyprus but is obviously galled by the connection and its three manifestations.

1.  Cyprus's Block 12 where drilling starts Monday borders on the huge Leviathan field Israel is developing in the eastern Mediterranean, whose proven gas reserves are calculated to be 8.5 trillion cubic feet. This would supply the entire US economy's needs for a year.

2.  Noble Energy of Houston has a license to drill in Cyrus's Aphrodite while the Israeli company Delek which is developing the Israeli offshore gas fields also has an option in the Cypriot field.

3.  Greece and Israel concluded a mutual defense pact on Sept. 4, 2011. Ten days later, Prime Ministers George Papandreou and Binyamin Netanyahu agreed to activate the pact in the light of Turkish threats against Israel and to exploration activity in the Mediterranean basin.

Israel and Greece have therefore begun to coordinate their fleet movements in the eastern Mediterranean and around Cyprus.
Erdogan's threats were followed up this week by a Turkish Foreign Ministry statement saying:  ?It has been agreed that Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will conclude a continental shelf delimitation agreement should the Greek Cypriot administration proceed with offshore drilling activities in the south of the island.?

Ankara's problem is that the Turkish Republic of Cyprus is not recognized by any country but Turkey.

Washington has not only given Noble Energy a green light to start drilling off Cyprus but backed it up with a State Department statement Thursday: "The US supports the efforts to enhance energy diversity in Europe, noting the fact a US company was involved was also positive."

Since last Tuesday, Sept. 13, Turkish troop reinforcements are reported by debkafile's military sources as having landed in North Cyprus along with drilling equipment.

These preparations indicate that Turkey is planning to start drilling in the Cypriot EEZ without reference to Nicosia. This would mean that Prime Minister Erdogan, while spouting high-sounding pledges to "preserve "freedom of navigation in international waters," is preparing a wildcat breach of international law and treaties. Friday, the Greek government in Athens warned Ankara against pursuing this step.

However, it would be in keeping with his past defiance of international norms. Even though Turkey accepted the UN Palmer commission's mediation in its dispute with Israel over the flotilla escapade,   Erdogan declared its findings "null and void" ?- after the panel ruled that Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip was legal and justified.

Next Monday, therefore, many eyes will be alertly watching to see what happens when the Noble rig starts drilling in Cyprus' Block 12 of the Mediterranean.

The Turkish prime minister has painted himself into a corner: If he orders his naval and/or air units to strike the American rig, he will have to take the consequences, possibly a confrontation with the US, Israel, Greece and Cyprus.

If he does nothing, or nothing more than a token drilling off the Turkish side of the island, he will lose face as a leader able to back up his threats.

He could take a third course like other Muslim rulers and vent his ire on Israel.

The guessing in Washington, NATO and Israel is that the most likely arena for a potential clash of arms in the Mediterranean is offshore Cyprus and it is most likely to evolve into sea and air confrontatons involving Turkey, Greece, Cyprus and Israel.
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