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sirs

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Hating "the rich"
« on: May 19, 2012, 03:08:12 PM »
by Bill O'Reilly

My late father was a man of strong opinion. He despised phonies, cowards and liars. He named names -- sometimes in very close proximity to those being singled out. A veteran of World War II, he recognized a weasel when he saw one.

But my dad never denigrated rich people in general.

We lived in Levittown, N.Y., where everybody had pretty much the same -- that is, not much. We ate tuna casserole, hot dogs and Hamburger Helper. My parents never owned a new car.

Ten miles away, my dentist, a college classmate of my father's, lived in Garden City. Lovely place, filled with rich people. My father often drove us through there and never said a disparaging word about the fine lawns and shiny foreign cars. America was the land of opportunity, and Garden City proved it.

But that was then.

Today, many Democrats believe the wealthy are bad to the bone. A new Gallup poll asks: "Do you think the U.S. benefits from having a class of rich people or not?"

An amazing 46 percent of self-described Democrats answered "or not."

When I asked two left-leaning pundits about this, they said it is all about "income inequality." They asked me whether my father would approve of that. I said he most likely would reject the entire concept of "income inequality" by giving the pundits the same advice he gave me: "If you don't like what they're paying you, work someplace else."

And I followed that advice, moving 10 times in 15 years on my way up the television news ladder. It wasn't easy, but if I thought my employer was hosing me, I began looking around.

That's how capitalism is supposed to work
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America is mandated to provide "equal opportunity," not equal outcomes. The boss man can pay what he wants. It's our choice whether to take it or leave it.

President Obama doesn't seem to get that. He often puts forth that wealthy Americans are not paying their "fair share," that somehow the fix is in, and the rich folk are gaming the system at the expense of working people. But for two years, Obama had an adoring Democratic Congress that did absolutely nothing to further the concept of "income equality." The reason? It's unconstitutional. The feds cannot dictate salaries and benefits in the private marketplace. Obamacare is an attempt to breach that constitutional wall. We'll soon see what the Supreme Court says.

Capitalism is no beach day. The strong and sometimes ruthless prosper. The poorly educated and unfocused often fail. For many Americans, failure is unfair and unacceptable in a "just" society. But my dad knew and accepted the truth of capitalism: Some will win big, some will lose big, but most will live comfortable lives in the middle. Just as he did.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hating "the rich"
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2012, 06:31:15 PM »
  Capitolism should not pretend that it gaarutees sucess, neither should any other sort of social order.

Pretending to garuntee success is a game as old as the Pharohs , when it works the guys on top claim credit , when it doesn't the guys on top seek scapegoats.

  Capitolism presents a reasonable chance for getting ahead, and does not need the pretense that less sucessfull schemes do, nor I hope the scapegoats.

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Re: Hating "the rich"
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2012, 06:52:27 PM »
I think the op-ed helps highlight that point, Plane......there will be failures.....there will be folks who for whatever reason, don't do well.  Capitalism, as facilitated bu America at leasts is SUPPOSED to give everyone the opportunity to better one's self.  And for the most part, it does. 

The real villians at trying to "game the system", is Government trying to mandate some ridiculous utopion notion that we can all be equal in outcomes.  Not only is that NOT the U.S. Government's function, per our Constitution, it's impossible to create, without stripping freedom to shreds.  And even then, you're still left with an elitest core trying to run things......just as if it were some evil "corporate conglomerate", they claim is currently doing so

And guess who's been the greatest recipient of Wall Street $$$$'s?  It's not Romney, or even a Republican.  It's that fella currently sitting in the WH
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hating "the rich"
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2012, 07:31:48 PM »
As long as "equal rights" means keeping what one has earned , we will not really have equal oppurtunity.

In order of priority is it better to start everyone off on the same mark.
Or allow all earnings to remain at the disposal, to whoever earned them?

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Re: Hating "the rich"
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2012, 07:42:52 PM »
As long as "equal rights" means keeping what one has earned , we will not really have equal oppurtunity.

I disagree......since what you appear to be implying a right to something someone else has.  Opportunity doesn't equate to what somone else has earned thru the opportunites they took advantage of.


In order of priority is it better to start everyone off on the same mark.
Or allow all earnings to remain at the disposal, to whoever earned them?

The latter, as long as it was earned legally, and did not trample on the rights of someone else, in earning them.  Everyone has the opportunity to start off at USC.  That doesn't equate that everyone is guaranteed a baseline start off at USC.  Everyone has the opportunity to start off as a NY Times writer/reporter.  That doesn't equate to everyone being guaranteed a baseline reporting job at the NY Times

Nor should it
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hating "the rich"
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2012, 08:59:07 PM »
If you do alright you might give your children some advantages.

Which is probly a good thing ,unless you happen to live with a government that would like to prevent it.

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Re: Hating "the rich"
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2012, 01:31:29 AM »
probly not related.
I remember people refusing to do overtime out of fear of getting into a higher tax bracket. I now say this is one of the difference between you and the rich. one of the common pattern is the willing to work for low or no pay just to get somewhere. none weill turn down overtime.