the 2 sides to a hardcore-liberal

[Plane]

There is a reason to have rights.
Rights are a reason to take risks.

You might be more or less smart choosing your risks, but when Mr. Zimmerman was the only neighbor willing to watch the neighborhood, did he get criticism then?

If he had seen the real burgular and stopped them and held them for the police at gunpoint , we would never have heard of him without reading an NRA publication.

I can't know why this encounter went bad, perhaps it is because of Mr.Zimmermans overzelousness, perhaps not.

I wish that they had both survived so that I could have heard both sides of this story.

I don't see the point of calling Mr Martin stupid for being out at night on foot, or Mr Zimmerman either.

[sirs]

Agreed

[Xavier_Onassis]

It was clearly stupid for Zimmerman to take his gun with him. Neighborhood watch duties consist of observing and reporting. No gun is required for that.

It was also stupid for Zimmerman to stalk Martin after the police told him that they did not want him to do that.

If you were to ask Zimmerman what he would like to change about his doings that night I am pretty certain that he would have said that he should have left his gun at home and waited for the professionals to arrive.

We have no information about whether Zimmerman was the only neighborhood patrol person out that night.

If there were others, they were smarter than he was.

[sirs]

It's not stupid for ANY CCW holder NOT to take their weapon with them.  That's the whole purpose of CCW, to have one, if you need it.     

Nor was he stupid for walking his own streets, especially when functioning as a neighborhood watch

Nor was he "stalking", unless you know details that the rest of us, haven't yet been privvy to.  Following, is not stalking

YOU WEREN'T THERE

[Plane]

  If Zimmerman had been as smart as you whish he was, would he have survived the fight?

[Xavier_Onassis]

If Zimmerman had been smart, there would have been no fight at all.

[sirs]

We don't know that......YOU WEREN'T THERE

[Xavier_Onassis]

Damn, you are stoopid.

[sirs]

Standard Xo "debating" skill, for all to see     

[Plane]

If Zimmerman had been smart, there would have been no fight at all.

  So you are certain that he said or did somthing that was agressive and or threatening?

[Xavier_Onassis]

He took his gun along with him. That is why he managed to shoot Martin.

He got out of his car and stalked Martin.

Both were stupid acts. He should have left his gun at home and waited for the police to arrive.

[sirs]

He took his gun along with him.

Someone with a CCW generally does that every time.  In no way, is that stupid.

He got out of his car

Perfectly legal and not at all stupid for a neighborhood watch person

and stalked Martin.

That's merely an opinion, and NOT factual

Both were stupid acts.

And as just noted, neither was, but if we're going to try and apply a "stupid" label, we could accurately apply it to the unsupported opinion about "stalking", until a court case clarifies it with facts

[Plane]

  Which one was stupid ?

  Is it really stupid to walk the street in the dark?

Maybe it is , but we can't know from the evidence so far made public whether one both or neither was stupid.

We know they fought, and that the one that brought the gun and called the police, survived.

What do you think happened?

Insults and fists? Ambush? A struggle that started with misunderstood motives?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I bet that Zimmerman wishes he'd left that gun at home and stayed in his effing car.

[sirs]

Unlikely.  I bet he's thankful to be alive