Kramer has been suspended for a week

[BT]

For continuing to post insults of the type he has been warned against.

[Plane]

  I am unhappy about this , but I too was getting irritated.

   There has to be a floor somewhere.

Kramer, come back, when you can, with your best, not your worst.

   I believe you have something to say, and I think it would be read for understanding if you were phraseing it more as exposition than excrement.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I have been asked by parties involved in this dispute to post the following:

Dear CU,

Ask the coward BT why he allows BSB to call me a NIGGER (see below) and after he does  I say I have a leg up on you to him and BT suspends me for a week and nothing happens to BSB for calling me a nigger.  (Kramer)

BSB
Full Member
Posts: 162
 
Re: Cain on Foreign Policy

Reply #169 on: November 06, 2011, 10:21:57 PM ?

Stuck along the side of the road, Nigger WeWe, and Blowhard, try to unstick their agenda filled wooden carts as the days events speed past them.

BSB

[Plane]

   I wondered who he ment by that.

[BT]

So does BSB join Kramer in the penalty box?

[Michael Tee]

I'm against all penalties, but I think Kramer had ample provocation.  So it seems to be that rather than penalize both of them, Kramer should be relieved of a penalty he did not deserve.  But if the penalty is not taken off of Kramer, then BSB should have the same or longer penalty, since he provoked the whole thing with his WeeWee the Nigger insult.

I say fuck it, we are all adults and anyone who can't stand the heat can just get out of the kitchen.  This whole "penalty" thing for speaking one's mind really turns me off.  It's fascist and paternalistic.

[Plane]

I'm against all penalties, ...........

I never liked penaltys either.

How elese do we establish a floor ?

Unlike usually, I am open to suggestions.


(bearing in mind my vote counts no more than yours)

[Michael Tee]

<<How elese do we establish a floor ?>>

That was my whole point.  There isn't a floor.  It's as low as any member wants to go and if he goes too low, someone else can tell him off or he can suffer the collective scorn of the group.

I notice that you didn't hesitate to tell Kramer off when you felt he'd gone too far.  I didn't, because (a) I felt he'd had ample provocation to justify his remark and (b) it wasn't my place to tell Kramer off for expressing his annoyance the way he did.  I just told off someone else, though, for gratuitously insulting John Edwards' child.  The penalties for breach of standards is the reproof of anyone who feels that a standard has been breached.

I'm against all penalties imposed from the top down.

[Christians4LessGvt]

i guess I'm not much help
because I think there should be a "floor"
some basic level of decency
i really don't understand what went on with BSB and Kramer...so no comment
but i do think there is a level of human decency BT should enforce
I mean do we really think there is no limit?
If someone gets really angry & calls Henny the "C" word....BT should not act?
Come on....that would be insane
I think BT does a pretty good job....letting us "play"
but personally I like that he would stop "over the top" behavior

[BSB]

The word nigger has been part of the American-english langue for over a hundred years. It has been used by writers such as Mark Twain, it's been used as an insult by whites, its been used in everyday communication between blacks in this country. It has a multitude of meanings. Kramer is white and a bigot in my opinion. To call Kramer, who has all the credentials except for being black that the word was used for as an insult makes my use of it rich with irony. On the other hand his insults have been aimed at a physical disability that is very real. That's not irony, that's a cheap shot, and he has been doing it for over 5 years with zero repercussions from anyone.

So, you want to give me a week off from posting, if that's how you see it, fine, I could give a fuck less.


BSB

P.S. Look at Blowhard stickng his nose in this, what a creep.

[Plane]

I'm against all penalties imposed from the top down.

I don't know whether we ever established a democracy or not.

But suppose we voted on all rules, and the result was pretty strict, would you allow for this?
 Democracy does not ensure fairness to individuals.

There seems to be a consensus we need to form and I don't know how to get there from here.

Of course the default is that the owner of the football calls the game over when he needs to go home with it.

[Christians4LessGvt]

i vote for keeping things how they are
i trust BT will continue making decisions as he sees fit
and if people dont agree with those rulings/decisions
he has shown he will listen and reconsider his rulings
isnt that all we can ask?

[Plane]

The word nigger has been.................................... BSB

The word nigger has become taboo, this need not be rational, just is true.

I am not personally worried about this.

It isn't as important an issue as what we shall do when this sort of conflict inevitably happens.

I respect you BsB and I enjoy your better posts , I selfishly want you around.

Forget that if this is really causeing you harm. I don't need your posting so bad that it is worthy against the cost of your peace of mind.

If there is no floor, there must be a lot of thick skin.

If there is a floor , there must be an umpire calling the strike zone.

On this spectrum where do you think we should make our goal?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Kramer is one of the most annoying creeps that I have ever had the misfortune to know.

Still, I am ideologically against censorship, but there is a difference between saying that someone has shitty idea and saying that they are a shit.

I do not understand BSB. He seems to have some sort of chip on his shoulder most of the time. The Wee Wee Nigger bit was not funny or ironic to me, it was just dumb.

[kimba1]

I totally missed out what caused this but I`m not allow to stop anything that encouraged civility. in one thread I tried to steer folks that direction with no results.