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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2011, 05:25:18 PM »
And it is not true that there never was a country called Palestine.

There was a British Mandate called Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2011, 05:49:58 PM »
Fact remains, had no Arab nations tried to destroy Israel, we wouldn't be having this discussion, "and the world would have been better off"=============================================================
Yeah, like you have the ability to see the alternative future. It is very unlikely that the Palestinian State would have been allowed to exist.

Oh good gravy.....and what crystal ball tells you who would have prevented that??  the UN??  Egypt?? Jordan??

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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2011, 11:00:59 PM »
Egypt already controlled Gaza before the war. It was largely unoccupied until the refugees arrived.

Palestine had no leaders, no government whatever when the partition occurred. Some of the Palestinians were driven out by Israelis, others were told to leave by the other Arab armies. A few managed to stay. But there was no self-government at all to replace the British, who simply pulled out and left.
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2011, 01:34:28 AM »
You still haven't answered the question......who would have prevented a Palestinian State??  If you're opining that it couldn't have existed before, why can it all of a sudden exist now??  You're making no sense

You do also realize that "Palestinian" at the time was more a reference to Palestinian Jew vs Palestinian Arab vs Palestinian Christian, correct?  That's probably why you're having trouble answering the question, much less ignoring the timeline of events
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2011, 12:22:13 PM »
The UN plan was for there to be a peaceful transition. Instead there was an unplanned war. The Palestinians, by which I mean the Palestinian Arabs, both Christians and Muslim, were mostly driven out as refugees and the UN had no armed troops to end the violence and put things back to a prewar state. There were no Palestinian leaders and no way that Palestinians could choose any leadership.

You should find an impartial book and read it.
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2011, 02:12:06 PM »
The UN plan was for there to be a peaceful transition. Instead there was an unplanned war.

BY whom.....against whom again.....?  You keep omitting that pertinent fact in the timeline, to rant on Israel with the 100% flawed position of "stolen lands"


You should find an impartial book and read it.

Oh, the irony     ::)
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« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2011, 03:41:36 PM »
The lands that were not granted to Israel in the partition were clearly stolen.

Annexation by conquest ended when the UN was organized. So did colonialization.
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2011, 04:24:24 PM »
The lands that were not granted to Israel in the partition were clearly stolen.

By the UN??  then your beef is with them, not Israel.  Israel was merely dfending itself, as such, nothing was "stolen"

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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2011, 08:47:06 PM »
Israel was asked to evacuate the lands it seized,and refused.There are dozens of UN Resolutions about this. The issue got all mixed up in Cold War politics, then the War in Korea started, and attention turned away.

Israel knew and still knows what the boundaries were.

There are several good books on this that I read long ago. I can't recall the titles.
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2011, 09:45:27 PM »
There is absolutely no rational reason for Israel to vacate lands that better defend themselves, tajen in DEFENSE of their very existance.  They were not stolen to begin with, and until the threat against them is removed, there is no reason for them to be vacated.

Simple as that

Which brings us back full circle...had the Arabs not tried to push Israel into the sea, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the world would have been better off
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2011, 05:09:02 PM »
and had lord Balfour not decided to give away what was not his to give away, there would be no Israel in palestine, and we still would not be having this discussion. 
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2011, 12:18:28 AM »
Problem is a) there was no country of Palestine where Israel was allowed to return, (no land stolen by Israel), and b) it was the UN that allocated the land to Israel, (again, no land stolen by Israel)

So once again, your beef apparently is with the UN
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2011, 08:28:59 AM »
you have entered the land of sirs and no longer make any sense at all.
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2011, 08:37:53 AM »
you have entered the land of sirs and no longer make any sense at all.

makes total logical sense....but nice cop-out when facts deny your leftist talking points
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Re: Belichick Vs. The Islamonazies? Not if We want to Win
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2011, 12:06:19 PM »
you have entered the land of sirs and no longer make any sense at all.

The original Palestinian Mandate was issued by the League of Nations, and the later creation of the state of Israel was issued by the United Nations. While Lord Balfour's writings might have had some influence, your complaint should fall squarely on these two organizations for the creation of Israel.
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